All Dogs Go to Heaven, but Feminism Can Go to Hell: Lindsay Clancy Trial

 Welcome to another episode of the Carpefeide Podcast where if the shoe fits you wear it and if the truth hurts you bear it. I am Justin Gruber and I am Jesse Gruber and today we hope you will seize the faith. Hey everybody welcome to another episode of the Carpefeide Podcast. What are you doing Jess? Can't complain. Can't complain. Well that's not true. All of us could complain. I'm fine. I'm fine. This topic isn't great. This topic annoys me and everyone probably thought that we just disintegrated into the nothingness of podcasts that just disintegrate into nothingness. That's not happening here. We were just physically controlled by the reality of time. This is the reality for us. What is such a hard taskmaster time? It is. But tonight is episode 237. All dogs go to heaven. What is meant by the soul of the beast? We will be discussing that topic biblically and theologically tonight so that's going to be very interesting. And stuck around the episode unicorns. Did King James have it right? We're not. That's not. That was just the funny rhyme that Jesse made. And I thought I'd run away. We're going to, you know what? Everyone needs to listen. Let me tell you what everybody needs. Everybody needs one more podcast about the Lindsay Clancy case. So we're going to do, we, I don't know how like sometimes there's just something that happens and it becomes something that is. Just encapsulates the ethos. The ethos of the culture has it's happening just right in front of you. Like this is the crux of where we're at. I have been trying to keep my distance from the case trying to let it play out. It's hard because it's kind of everywhere and it's not my fault. I died. I didn't vote for this. But I did vote for Lake America. Oh man. Actually, I didn't even know that was on the bingo card. I did not know. I just, we're just going to keep renaming the waters until like three quarters of the globe is America. And that doesn't even count landmass. It's just going to be all those. Next, the American Pacific Ocean. So that the Japanese have to say America every time they say their ocean. Remember Pearl Harbor. Don't touch our boats. Seriously, we really don't shouldn't do that. They should have known better, really. It was a classic blunder as a kin to starting a land war in Asia. That's what happened there. But this podcast also wasn't about that. But when it comes to this is this is nothing personal Canada, but it also is kind of personal. When you like state that you're not going to call 911 a terrorist attack. You know what you don't get a lake. I'm just saying like, sorry, it was personal. You made it personal. And there's so much news that's happened since we recorded Milo, Yanapolis, deported before. Oh, Ilmar Ohan. Ilmar. Ilan. Ilmar. Ilan Omar. Lindsay Lohan. I don't know. Zo Zo Zohran, Manduni. I'm Don Monopoulos, New Yorkistan. You know what? No, but seriously, did you see that the CBC told the staff not to call 911 a terrorist attack? Did you see that? No, I didn't see that. Yeah, Canadian broadcast, collaboration. Yeah, so that's their like government. The only sponsor is that's their new speaker. The whole news league session. We'll never refer 911 as a terrorist attack. So you know what I say? Cool. Welcome to Lake America. Some people did something and now everyone is mad at the Muslims. Yeah, some people did something. Oh gosh, shut up. I can't. I just too much news. I just really, that really got that was personal to me. I know where I was when 911 happened. I was a senior in high school when 911 happened. It was the beginning of my senior year. And man, that was. That was one heck of a event. And like, because the job is a worker street. The whole thing is just what I mean. Like let's just be honest. If you're if you're one of the insider guys 911 was inside, or whether it was outside, either way, it was a terrorist attack perpetrated by somebody to try to evoke terror into the population. You can't. There's no way to deny this. It's what it was. So it is personal Canada. It's personal. You start doing stuff like this. It's personal. All right. You can question you know how much the terrorists, but you can't question the terror. Like if you want to get right down to it, any tariffs that you pay on imported goods isn't enough to equal the amount of our military, which makes sure that you are not turned into Russia. So it's a fractional price. You're getting a great deal. I don't know what the problem is. Anyway, sorry, moving on from that. For anybody that was under a rock, Lindsey Clancy is on trial for murdering her three children. Just a point of clarification. She's not on trial about whether or not she did murder her children. She's on trial about whether or not she can be held criminally responsible for murdering her three children. She did. In fact, murder her three children. That is not in dispute. Anyone that's confused about this or saying it was the husband. No, it was she did it. She's not disputing the fact that she did it. I had an idea of how we could do this. I don't know how to talk about this case. I genuinely don't like this is. This encapsulates the absolute moral degeneracy. The hatred of God that our culture has embraced is seen in this court case right now. What are your initial thoughts on the Lindsey Clancy case? You can even take a meta view. Maybe it's not to be the case. I love the walk to the timeline of that day at some point. We don't have to do that yet. Just a meta overview from your angle. What are you seeing? What am I seeing? I am seeing a conversation surrounding mental health when the conversation should be about justice. I am seeing the mass weaponization of social media to influence the hearts and mind of fickle women, which the Bible clearly warns women against into falling into such fickleness. In some very sexist scriptures from Ball. I am seeing people make crap up about what's his name Patrick, her husband, just make stuff up. I have tried to find substantiation for some of the claims I've heard. And God, gosh dang, I can't find evidence for a single, blessed thing. And so I'm seeing people just lie about a man because he's a man and because they've learned from TikTok that they don't like him, that they are willing to bring their children where pink in protest of any sort of guilty verdict against a woman who violently and terribly personally killed her three young children. And it makes me absolutely incensed. Okay, you know, yep, that's how I feel. That was another episode of the Carpefe de podcast tune in next month for our next episode. No, so I've actively been trying to like stay on top of the, I don't know if you do this Jesse, but the American morality fund. Have you, did you hear about this? No, but I have a feeling that it's not very American and not very moral from the way you said that. Well, the American morality fund. Is that like the Christian in Christianity today? It approached, it approached a million dollars before GoFundMe shut it down. Some people call it the Lindsey Clancy Fund. It was for her parents. I like to look at it as the American morality fund because it literally shows how morally bankrupt we are as a country as it gets larger. Yeah, I don't, I don't know what we're doing. A woman murdered her three children. Any exigent circumstances don't negate what she is done. There is no way to negate that. We are, we have protests being organized. As you said, women in pink outside the courtroom trying to say that they are Lindsey Clancy. They were late to Lindsey Clancy. We are about to do so many things simultaneously. We are going to set precedence on hormones. We are going to absolutely push back anything. Women have felt they have earned as far as women's liberation because the risk of murder is now present when hiring a woman. They could kill you or your children. The act of killing someone else's children is better than killing your own. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy that that wildly horrific example that we just gave is more of a understandable thing to kill someone else's children than it is to kill you? Even your own, like what the heck are we even talking about? I'm going to continue to interject like that randomly and it's going to completely throw your train of thought off. No, it's totally fine. Maybe it's a good idea because if you haven't stayed up on the case, it's totally fine. You don't have to. This is insane. We have women uniting. This is our culture. We have women uniting to support a mother who murdered her three children in absolute cold blood. I'm going to continue to do that. I'm going to continue to do that. I'm going to continue to do that. I'm going to continue to do that. The timeline is far worse than that. The cold calculating steps taken in the process. What you're not going to hear today is us give you our TikTok opinions about the case. We're not lawyers. We're not involved in the case. We can regurgitate facts. What we're not going to do is some sort of hyperspectulation on anything. We can tell you what we know. Lindsey Clancy murdered her children. She is not disputing that fact. Her husband, Patrick, in no way murdered her children. Her husband, Patrick, was not home when her children were murdered. This is not in dispute. This is a fact. Here's your timeline. This is not going to go in an extensive history of the family in which the whole bend was to help Lindsey Clancy through any depressive issues she was having, any anxiety issues she was having from the point that they didn't want her to go back to work. His husband was good with her staying home and being with the kids. He moved to a remote job so that he could be at home too. The whole situation is all bent around Lindsey Clancy's mental health. So we're all clear. Did you want to say something Jesse? No. Sorry. All right. The day of the murder. I'm going to keep using that term. So that's what happens. That's what you call it when another person murders interjects themselves to kid 10 and other life. It's called murder. Three murder. Three in a row. Yeah. So January 24th, 2023 is the date of the murder. This day starts off with Lindsey taking one of her children to her pediatric appointment. The reporters that she was common normal at the appointment. Patrick, her husband had taken their son Dawson while she took the other one of the other children and they exchanged photos as normal when parents are with their kids and they sent photos of one another. Other kids doing funny things back and forth. This is absolutely normal. That afternoon, the phone went outside and bill a snowman together, which I know sounds crazy. That's something we know. I go past does. It was a pleasant afternoon. They seem to be enjoying the time together around four, four o'clock in the afternoon. Lindsey searched for kids mirrorlax on her phone. She used Apple Maps to determine the drive time from Duxbury to the restaurant, 3V restaurant, which was located in Plymouth. She visited the CVS website found out that they had mirrorlax and called the CVS to confirm that they had it. The store manager testified or speech on a normal conversation was routine with 453 an hour later, texted her husband Patrick asking whether he wanted to take out from 3V saying that she didn't want to cook. It had been a long day. Patrick initially suggested a closer restaurant, but Lindsey wanted 3V. They agreed. They then texted the menu, discussed what they were ordering. 510, Lindsey called and placed the order from 3V restaurant. According to the hostess, nothing about the call of peer unusual. She understood Lindsey without difficulty. By 15, Patrick, he left the Duxbury home because he was at home. They had built a snowman together in the afternoon. Patrick left the Duxbury home to pick up the medication from CVS and the takeout food from 3V restaurant. Lindsey was with her three children, Korra Dawson and Colin. Shortly afterward, Lindsey texted him. He de-elects liquid stool softener, just because honestly, this is the most banal thing between husband and wife. I want exactly what you want me to buy from the store. This is exactly what he was to get. Self-hound and transaction records were later used to reconstruct Patrick's movements and the period during which Lindsey was alone with the children. Lindsey took the three children to the basement. Just to use exercise resistant bands to strangle them. The allegation is that Korra Dawson were killed first and then Colin was then attacked. Following this, Lindsey allegedly cut her wrists and neck, went by the way. If you cut your wrists and neck, you can die. If you really want to die, you can kill yourself doing this. Anyway, she allegedly cut her wrists and neck, went on upstairs bedroom. I don't know how you do that. And jumped from a second story window. Not a very fall jump. I'm just saying like... It's a frustrating. Anyway, the fall caused severe spinal injuries, ultimately electric parallelization always down. The defense, her defense and Korra does not dispute that Lindsey caused the children's death. Nice way of saying, Lindsey murdered her children. It simply argues that she was suffering from postpartum psychosis and was not criminally responsible for her actions. Everything out to that point in the day would say that she seemed relatively in control of her actions. Patrick could not have killed the kids. Why? Because at 5.32, he walked to aisle 20, which the manager identified as a children's medication aisle. The video from the store showed him, spending several minutes in the aisle and searching on his cell phone, making sure that he was giving the right thing. At 5.33, Patrick called in and said she did not answer. At 5.34, call it again. The conversation lasted approximately 14 seconds. She told him which medication she wanted. The prosecutor said Patrick initially described the conversation as completely normal. The later he testified it sounded as though she was in the middle of something. She was... 5.36, he arrived at CVS register. He checks out, 5.54, he goes to 3v. They have surveillance videos of him picking up the takeout. 6 o'clock, he returns home. Notice the house is quiet. The bedroom door is locked, busts in, sees blood, looks out the window, sees Lindsay as where the kids are. They're in the basement. This is the day. This is what happened. They're... That we have continued to have a trial. I mean, we're talking like... Father Strangles is five sons. Dory deliberates for two hours. He gets the death penalty. Woman... Strangles are three children. We have a month-long trial and a hung jury. I don't know what has happened. We have millions of... Over a million dollars donated in support of her. A million dollars to support the murderer. Millions of women posting TikTok videos, how they stand with Lindsay Clancy. I don't... So we're pretty clear about abolishing abortion on this podcast. You want to understand why we get so... The abolition movement cannot be clear. God's work cannot be clear. Laws inform morality. We have spent generations, yelling women, that they can choose emotionally and conveniently when to murder their children. This trial is the simple outflow of horrendously evil laws. We have informed and broken a culture, so that one of the most dangerous places you can find is the womb of a mother, is the hands of a mother, is the emotional whims of a mother. That is a level of insanity that no culture can continue to bear up under. It's just not possible. Yeah, it... Honestly, this... Excuse me, I don't know if I'm coming in properly or if it's just my headphones. This story makes me so gosh dang angry. In a very unique way, because the automatic response from feminists is just to completely disregard every gosh dang piece of evidence. That is, solidar than solid. Right, they've had three years to work through this case. Solidar than solid, to completely just reject it based on the retarded notion that there was possibly a man involved, is absent-fricken-lutely beyond me. It is so infuriating and disgusting to me. I love going on X and seeing the breakup videos of dudes breaking up with their girlfriends over their supportive Lindsey Clancy. Yes, yes, yes. Someone who supports that is disgusting. Like, absolutely disgusting. And honestly, it doesn't even... The conversation surrounds mental health. That's the whole hinge point of this case. But does it really... Look, you have children. I have children. My wife suffered from postpartum depression with pretty much every single one of my children. She's had intrusive thoughts with almost all of our children. Seriously? That's what we're talking about when she had a perfectly normal day, when she's received a bajillion-in-one ways of support. Like, the grandparents pitched in. She had two nannies after the last child was born. Her husband worked from home. We're talking like text book surrounding this woman with support. Not ignoring police or help. What are you talking about? Like, what are we seriously talking about? Jeffrey Dahmer. Well, he pled guilty. But he also pled with insanity. He received 15 consecutive life sentences. The killer clown, John Wayne Gacy, 33 young men killed, convicted him on all counts. Also tried to reason for insanity. Albert Fish in the 1920s and 30s. Also tried to reason for insanity. Found him guilty. All men, by the way. So like... What are we talking about here? Why are we not talking about demons more? Yes, demons are real. Yes, the spiritual realm is real. Yes, demonic activity certainly exists. It certainly exists by and large in America in the feminist movement. Like, why are we not talking about that? Just because she... Like, it is literally... And the culture states this. This is not just me being sex as big. Just literally because she is a woman. We are attempting to defend and excuse the world. And and excuse the murdering by strangulation of her three small children. I bump into my kid on the way to the refrigerator and I freak out making sure they're okay. Like, come on guys. Sorry, I'll stop. No, it's... Or I'll take a break rather. Yeah, just catch your breath. The real... Again, I... I... Read what happened that day. I... Like, say what you will, maybe I'm just some sort of evil, shivinistic, gross man. I don't know that I could believe a word that Lindsey Clancy said ever. This isn't... This isn't a person that I could ever trust. This is not new. Giving birth is not new. Women suffering from the dramatic hormonal changes in their bodies that God has ordained to create life in their wombs. Is not new. In fact, women being found guilty and convicted of murder for murdering their children after they have... Have given birth to them is also not new as recently as a year ago. What's new is the intense insanity present in our culture. And I'm not talking about good... Look, we have so many awesome, godly women that listen to this podcast. I'm not talking about you. Obviously. My wife is a godly woman. She suffers at times... From being emotional. I suffer at times from being emotional. At no point does me not mastering my emotive state ever give me the right to do whatever I want. It never abdicates me from the moral responsibility of my actions. My wife would say the same exact thing. Did Lindsay Clancy hear voices? I don't know. She said she did at times. Did they have been demons? Sure, maybe. Could Lindsay Clancy have lied the whole time and not wanted to go back to work and wanted sympathy and enjoyed the attention she was getting? And just been evil. Absolutely. The sin makes you do that type of crap. It always does. It's not righteousness that makes you take the lives of innocent human beings, let alone your own gosh darn children. It's certainly not righteousness that does that. And this is all... This is just me speculating. Here's the reality. All of my speculating. Every minute of the hundreds of hours of TikTok women speculating of Monday morning, loyering. None of it matters. Because she murdered her three kids. Just hear me. This is not in question. This is a fact. And so all of my speculations and their speculation combined is absolutely meaningless. The fact that we are defending a mother that murdered her three children is the problem. The fact that our culture is not simply expressing a cry for justice is a problem. The fact that we will blame anything else and everything else and anyone else as opposed to assigning responsible, clear guilt. And swift justice is the problem. Those children don't have a voice as it was taken from them. And we are speculating on whether or not their murderer should be held responsible. The funny part is we are speculating because she is their mother. And when you hear that phrase, it should make it feel all the worse. We shouldn't speculate when a mother abdigates her chief role. This is her men do not produce children. No matter what idiot on this social media says, we do not carry them and burst them. The mother is uniquely gifted by God to carry this out. Coincidentally, it is this very thing that God connects with his safety in the Bible. Luke 13, 34, 35, how often I have desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings. Psalm 91, 1 through 4 God provides safety and comfort like a mother hen protecting her chicks. Isaiah 66, 13, as one whom his mother comforts so I will comfort you. The safest place as designed by God is to be the care of the mother. This mother was left the care of her three children. No, I'll correct that. This mother orchestrated the events to send her husband away for specific amounts of time so that she could be a woman. She could be alone with her children in order not to keep them safe instead to murder them. It is an affront to the creative order. It is affront to the image bearing of the children. It is an absolute affront to the Holy God that we are having discussions like we are having in our culture right now. Is the problem. There is nothing to discuss. And every second we carry in fulfilling justice for three innocent lives snuffed out by their own mother only exasperates the level of immorality and injustice present in our culture. I have in a societal sense I don't really have a problem generally speaking up until this moment with women being able to vote. At this moment I am intensely considering the reality of any single woman including my own daughter. Casting a vote for any office of leadership in the country because the level of disgust that is present in the outcry of women for Lindsey Clancy has so bent me to watch videos of mothers who are not caring for their children in support for Lindsey Clancy to watch videos of mothers raging in anger at what the court system and what the medical system and what the husband and what the parents did to Lindsey Clancy. This isn't a wild take anymore. This whole trial has absolutely completely destroyed feminism like no matter the verdict no matter the verdict feminism is going to suffer a huge blow. Because the amount of men that are waking up to this reality like holy crap these people are crazy. Women in their culture American liberal women are absolutely insane. They are waking up with this trial they are waking up. And if they somehow find her mental state to excuse the horrific actions that are damnable by death three times over. If they somehow excuse that with some type of mental break in spite of all of the evidence it will be one of feminism's last breaths. Because it will not be tolerated it will I really believe that this case to those who are informed is so clear. I mean yeah let's blame let's blame the medical establishment the medical establishment did not kill strangle three little kids. They didn't I'll talk about big pharma all day long I work in healthcare I know you know what I mean I know I don't like I don't like big pharma. But at the same time big pharma in all of its evils as a as a pillar of our society unfortunately. Is not the one on trial here for strangling their children. Like I really I really do think that no matter the verdict it is a huge I really and I pray I pray only God can make something good come from such horrific and horrendous suffering only God can and I pray that God uses this for some type of purpose that gives the death of those children some kind of meeting. On this earth I pray that he does and I pray that that blow is to feminism I want it dead I want it buried and I want it to 20 years in the past I don't want to I don't want to deal with it anymore. There is there is a very clear need in the midst of this to identify the cultural issues I think I think that we have to address what feminism is and what it has done we have to address. We have to address what sexual. Devenancy has done we have to address what abortion has done and. I how can we possibly be giving out hormones to anyone. I don't know what we are talking about here. There are consequences to what we are saying. There are real consequences. We just get to blame all male murders on an excess of testosterone like is an excess of testosterone just a case for insanity now. According to this logic it's certainly on the table like what the heck are you talking about. The ultimate reality of what's going to most likely happen is that the jury is going to come back hung again there seem to be at least two women on the jury that will not move forward with any sort of conviction. Apparently from the court room analysis which means there will be a mistrial which will trigger an automatic retrial. The prosecution doesn't seem the prosecution seems very clear that there's this the evidence is too clearly solid to not retry the case. It's just sad. They don't understand the door that they're opening. Like do you track with me on that like like 100% hiring practices. You know companion selection. They are going to be so completely alone in this world. Because of this if this if this will I agree I it's going to end in a mistrial. There's nine women on that panel. There's nine women on the panel and you see what's happening in our culture with women. So it's like what are the chances they're all nine strong you know solid Bible believing Christian women very low. What are the chances that they're all that they're nine women that are going to exercise reason. Lower and that's the sad part of what because we both know women we both know reasonable women. The reality is the majority in our culture are being pulled by every vein and idol and evil idea in this culture. What are you I just don't know what we what what did we expect what did we expect when we told women. You have the power of God. You get to do all the humans of all the people in our culture women. You can decide when to give and when to take away life that's what we've done that is what our culture is done. What did you think was going to happen when you did that. That's what we did this is the natural result of doing that from a from a simply secular moral perspective. Who are we to tell Lindsey Clancy when she can't kill her children. Who are we. And and it is is the absolute degradation of a society when this is where we are going to operate. Now I'm I'm intensely optimistic. I I don't believe this is where we're going to operate. I believe I've read the end God wins. It's not a question. How we get there how we get there. It depends on whether or not we are going to actually stand on God's word. We're going to speak clear truth. We're going to say clear and obvious things like murder is wrong. Murder is gross. Justice should be clear and justice should be swift. And I'm I'm for justice in all cases. There are all the compare and contrasts are trying to compare the difference between men and women all over the social media. Like how many post do you see about like this guy this FedEx driver kidnapped a girl and killed her to hide what he did and he sends the death. And at no point in my like. Oh, but he was a man and it was Christmas time and he was a FedEx delivery driver. I know how hard it is to be a delivery driver. Oh, you know how crazy this delivery driver was our on Christmas time. That's what I'm sure and and he was probably just suffering a mental break and he shouldn't be held accountable and he shouldn't be sent to death and he shouldn't. No, I immediately look at that and said, yeah, do you need help? Right. Can we do it faster please? I can assist. I've got time. Just let me know when aware. I'm I'm very clear. I'll do it faster and cheaper than the state will. Yep, I will do it for free. The. I think if you rape somebody, you should get castrated. And then stoned. Actually, it would be easier just to kill them just. I'm very clear on justice. I don't have a lot of qualms. I understand what morality is. Not because it's my choice, but because it's been very clear what God has declared. I thought the biblical consequences for wayper or stoning. Yeah, no, I'm saying like maybe maybe castration first just because and kill them and then stone. I don't know. Like I said, and then the stone. Yes. Like are you guys great? Oh, you guys are gross and evil. Like, look, when you don't act out on justice, what you create is injustice. When you don't act swiftly and deal with murder, you create the environment. For murder, you create the incentive to murder. When you don't handle robbing and lying and stealing and murder and rape and and molestation and pedophilia. And when you don't treat these things quickly with the grossness that they are with justice in your mind, you create the environment for injustice to thrive. This has been clear crystal clear from the Christian perspective forever. And we're not we're not sexist for thinking that we both believe that men who hurt women are scum and deserve the just consequences for their actions. Just like we believe that Lindsey Clancy also is scum and should face justice for the consequences of their actions. We're not sexist. We're consistent. That's what justice is because consistent. I mean, that exists 237. Keep far from a false charge and do not kill the innocent and righteous. Proverbs 6, 16, there are six things in the Lord hates, seven are in abomination, and haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed an innocent blood. This is... You don't have, you can hate God and acknowledge that this is obvious. No, you will ultimately fall into the reality that you are created in the image of God as a human being. And that in print it upon you is the image bearing of God. And that is only reason why you can even remotely humble in the dark to find it morality. It's... It's... Like, I think that there's something to say about... About... Like, our... Our just absolute... Um... Feral need for entertainment. Like, this isn't a true crime podcast. This isn't like a Sherlock Holmes novel. This isn't some made up story that we get to be entertained by... You know, no matter how dark and grim it is. Like, three little kids had to run away from their mother who was trying to strangle them and who did successfully. Three of them, one by one. Like, it's not... It's not a book. It's not a movie. It's not a TV show. It's not a podcast. It's not an audiobook. It really, really happened. It really happened. And my five-year-old knows enough to know what harming someone looks like. He knows. He knows. And to watch that happen to other people and then to think that it's going to happen to you and to... There is no solace for him. It's not a game that we're playing here. This really happened. This isn't a who-done-it novel. And there needs to be a huge cry for justice. Like, it's... I can't even complete a thought. It's just so infuriating. I can't even complete a thought. I mean, and from the Christian perspective, I am very understanding that the justice of man is... ...rothally inadequate. This is intensely clear. Lindsey Clancy will either be held responsible for her crimes or will find redemption through the only possible form of redemption in Jesus Christ. And God will... Do not be deceived. God will not be mocked. And I can know that no matter what the jury verdict turns out to be, no matter where Lindsey Clancy finds herself, she will not escape the weight of the reality of justice for what she has done. There is... And that is truly why, for me, what this has about our culture is the biggest problem. It's the biggest problem. I value the women in my life. I value them because they are valuable. Like, low-key. I looked at my wife on the day. We were just talking about, you know, would you just be happy if I just stayed at home and cooked and we were able to, you know, do marital things together. And that would be... Why do you think I work? I think men build cultures. Why do you think men create societies? Because we value and want to create secure and safe places for the women that we love. Like, we want to build culture. That is what we want. That is what we desire. And now I'm having... This just points to the upheaval of all of that. All of that. We have created such a safe and overly abundant culture that we have denied God. We have ignored morality, injustice, responsibility. None of it exists. And we're doing whatever we want. And we're supporting people in the evil that they do. We are not holding anyone accountable. We're not exulting truth. We're not adhering to justice. We're trying to... We as a culture try to classify people that want to have sex with children as people that need help and care. Like, just... Feel that. We do that. We have a mother murdering her children and our biggest concern is... But... Did she really? Like, no, we have all the evidence. She did it. Yeah, but did she? No, you don't understand. She... Sent her husband out. Far away enough to have the time alone to drag her kids into the basement and strangle them with exercise bands. Which, by the way, don't give me any crime of passion, nonsense here. Do you know what it's like? Like... To strangle someone to death. To do it three times. To use exercise bands. But what are we even talking about? Why is anyone supporting this? What is there to support? Sledgehammer, kneecaps, center block, rope, like America. Like... Like, I mean, that is... Like, do you know what I mean? The Bible is so clear on this. Like, mistreat kids... You die. Like, Jesus was clear about if you don't teach kids the truth. What happens to you? Right. Just teaching them lies. It would be better for you to tie a large stone around your neck and jump into the lake. And to mislead and deceive a child. We're talking about someone who murdered three children. It's the ultimate deception. It is the ultimate deception to think... To raise your children as a mother and to have them think that you're a safe person. And for you not to be a safe person. It is the ultimate deception. It is the longest running line. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's... It's Iki Justin. I don't like it. And listen, dear Christian women, please, like, hear me. I am so thankful for you. You are invaluable. Truly priceless. You need to cry out against this. And a very real way. There's nothing to discuss. There's no conversation to be had. Because no one is saying bearing a child is easy. And anyone that says that is a fool. No one says that raising children is easy. And anyone who says that is a fool. Bearing children and raising them is an invaluable gift from God. And we are looking at the results of the degradation of women in Israel. The degradation of motherhood, the destruction of feminism, praise God. In many ways we're looking at the undoing of the trend-tenderism movement. And if we're going to be clear enough, giving out hormones is obviously intensely dangerous. And we're going to have to really re-examine whatever that is. Are you kidding me? I want true soul healing help for people. And I don't know how to end this podcast. Yeah. I mean, I'm not at this podcast. But seriously, I agree with all that you just said. The reason that you and the reason that I and the rest of our elders and honestly, the rest of the men that we know do anything that we do is to support our families. Like my upstairs air conditioner pooped out and thank God it was a quick fix. Like seriously, oh my gosh. Shout out to Matt for helping me through that. But like, if I didn't have a family, if I didn't have a wife, one, I wouldn't have this house, two. I wouldn't have fixed that. I would have just slept freaking downstairs. But where it's cool. I don't need upstairs. Don't search as fine. Like, you know what I mean? Like the only reason we do anything that we do, the only reason we leave our houses at all, is for those we care about. And it's not, that's not machismo. Like, and I'm not a victim. Like, this is what God has called me to do and I am, I am happy to do it. I am thankful. Grateful. Honored. Like, that's a high calling too. Motherhood is an extremely high calling. Fatherhood is an extremely high calling and there is huge weight and responsibilities, mental and physical and emotional tolls. Yes, but the Lord sustains. None of these things were meant to happen without the Lord sustaining you. So the weight of those things without him is unbearable. That does not relieve any moral culpability for our sin, unfortunately. Because if it did, we could excuse any and every heinous act. And if you're, well, I was just going to say and with, and like, with this trial, that is the logical conclusion of it, is that any and every heinous act can and will be at least attempted to be excused. And the consequences on a law-abiding society is absolutely catastrophic at that point. There is no law. Anarchy. Yep. That's the result. And don't hear what we're not saying. Like, that happens when we need a cookbook. Ooh. Sorry. The Bible is our cookbook. We're not getting me all topic. Don't hear what we're not saying. We are the community guys. Like, we are the church family guys. We are the treat your community like family guys. The church is a body. The church is a family. That's who we are. It's in our dinner. Because it's what God has created it to be. It was so stupid. I'm sorry. I tried. It's so stupid. What the dinner? Yeah. That. It's a great line. Is it from something? Please tell me. Yeah. What movies it from? If I was to guess one movie, I would only guess probably maybe Jurassic Park. What movies it from? Young Frank, it's time. I don't know. I've now worried that I don't have the right movie in my head. I really don't think I've ever heard it called that in a proper context ever. I certainly knew what you were talking about, which is what maybe laugh. I think it's Utopia. I think I was right. Oh, really? Yeah, it's with the, when young, I should be shot for not knowing these characters. My daughter would not be happy with me. It's when I was at a dad joke from Judy Hopps dad. Yes, yes, it's Judy. It's Judy Hopps when she was a kid. Okay. When I can flashbacks in the first one. Okay. I can I can talk with that. It's in my dinner. It's in your dinner. All right. What I was trying to say was we are, we actually know that the reality of community and not medication is the thing that's essential for the full health of a person emotional, spiritual, physical health. It requires accountability. It requires connectedness. The culture we live in has tried to rip any meaningful community out of anything, out of anything. Even the previous faux institutional communities don't even exist anymore. There's no longer clubs and connections that people even have on a superficial level. And the church is a living and real community. And that is where true healing can actually happen. And we are all about people actually experiencing mental health. We're not saying you don't talk about feelings. We're not saying that hormonal imbalances can't lead to fluctuation in our motions. None of that is what we're saying. We actually want that to be handled in the way it can truly be healed and handled through the power of community as united spiritually. Like we believe this. We live this. Right. We teach this. God wires the postpartum body for anxiety, for the protection of children. That's a real natural thing. It's supposed to be that way. What it isn't is an excuse to do whatever you want. Ever. Never. We don't treat anything like that. Any human with kids has stepped in. Like here's the dirty little secret. Even people that experience soft parenting have stepped in. Emotions don't get you. You don't have to do whatever you want. This is not talented in nights. This is not Ricky Bobby. I said it with all due respect. I don't know. Doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. Right. Like I love it. I love it when in the hospital. There's always usually either crazy people or drunk people. They're like, they're spouting off all sorts of disgusting filth. And I'm like, sir, you can't say that. I could say what I would. It's a free country. I said, yeah, I'm not taking you to court. I'm just kicking you out of the hospital. You're not allowed to be here and say that. You could not sue a new curb. This isn't a first amendment issue. It's trying to control by speech. It's always the first thing they go to. Gosh. Just saying we have a sign up on the wall that says you're not allowed to say those things to my staff. If you could read, you would have known what it said. And with that in mind, when we say what we're saying now, it's because what we're seeing is the evidence of the absolute loss of any sense, any connection to the reality of objective moral standards. That's the problem. If we continue to tell children that whatever you feel is true, if we continue to tell women that you can author and finish life, yes, that is exactly what the Bible gives to God, by the way. If we continue to act like whatever you believe is good, we will continue right down this course. This is where it goes. In fact, this is the tip of the iceberg of where it goes, which is why I am imploring Christian men and women to be very clear about what God has said, to be very clear about what we need to actually have culture. Everything we have, there is no greater place to live than in America. Unless you're a child and your mother is having a bad day. And let that sink in, because that's what happened. That doesn't make any sense. I don't even want to vacation out of this country. Why would I do that? And yet we are watching it a road in front of us for getting everything that has come before. We are just running, headlong, into the devices of progressivism. And the only way to stop that is with the objective truth of God. It's the long and short of it. Gospel harder. Oh, yeah, way harder. Like with teeth and everything. The red in tooth and claw gospel. Should that be a t-shirt? I mean, I'm always reminded of how Jesus crushes evil. And it is definitely in one of the most crazy garbs ever. That road just oozing blood, just dripping, dripping at the hem of the garment. I'm glad you clarified which, which because I was picturing the crushing on the serpent with his heel. And I was going to say, new achievement. I'm not getting distracted. Dear Christian. Dear Christian. Thank you. Thank you for listening. I hope this has been for as somber as the reality. I hope what this is is not. It is not a, this is not a retreat. This is, this is a call to engage. This is a call to engage clearly. You need more. You need to know the word better. You need to be more empowered because if you do not speak, if you hold your tongue, if you know to do good, and you don't do it. It's in. My final admonition would be delete tick-tock. Like if it's on your phone, just get rid of it. There's too much time and too much foolishness to be spent there. And anywhere else you might ever see a real of people supporting these things. I would just, I would just get rid of it. And regardless, if you find, if you are, if you are a Christian man or a Christian woman, and you've said, but what about this? Ask yourself, is it true? And do the gosh darn work yourself. Don't just believe random strangers on the internet. Please, including us, including us. Please don't randomly believe, please don't believe random people on the internet. Don't base your moral judgments on that. My gosh, I just want to be clear. When I first, before I had ever done anything, when this was just first coming out, you know, and my wife's getting things on it because she's a woman and her, you know, her algorithm is loaded for what women are talking about on the social media. And she's like, oh, you haven't heard about this? No. You know, I just just, like, I immediately is like, oh, must be, this husband must have been a horrible guy. And you know what? Ultimately, at the end of the day, like, I was like, but it doesn't matter. She said she killed her three kids. Like, this isn't a game. And it turns out, oh, wait, her husband really wasn't the horrible guy. Like, he wasn't beating her. He didn't tie her down and not let her eat and keep her from her kids. And like, none of that was happening. None of that was happening. Yeah, seems kind of like almost like an upstanding guy. I was so shocked. I was so shocked. I was like, wait, pretty fly for a secular guy. I'm like, wait, what? He wasn't like shooting her up with heroin. He wasn't like, wait, oh, oh, it was like shocking to me. You can't, like, the internet is, and maybe that's just another, like, social media is just one of these evils. Is there ever going to be such a thing as a national trial that can possibly ever be fairly adjudicated ever again? Like, I don't even know. I mean, we even touch on that. This is like, there's a level of impossibility. And I know like in Massachusetts, they don't like sequester juries of them. But like at the same time, like, what are we talking about? Do they do anything right in Massachusetts anymore? I don't know. They like their guns. Well, that's something. They like their guns and all this time, like, she couldn't find one, I guess. It would have been too much of a mercy. Gosh, dang. That's how disgusting this is. You're roping me back into it. We were wrapping up. I just can't get over. I can't get over. She murdered three human beings and then decided she couldn't kill herself. Like, what level of ridiculous, how stupid do you have to be? She knew how to kill herself. She just killed three people. That she is alive right now should say something. All right, I'm going to stop. I can't, I can't, you're right, I'm sorry. We were doing fine. We were finally getting some jokes in and then all of a sudden, just freaking seize the faith. Yeah, so, you know, seize the faith and the podcast. I can't just end it. Gosh dang.