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You're the Oppressor: Critical Theory's War on Parents, Children, and Reality
EP 236 CARPE FIDE AUG 7, 2026 by Jesse & Justin Gruber

You're the Oppressor: Critical Theory's War on Parents, Children, and Reality

"Adultism is real, it's being taught to educators, and it ends exactly where you think it does"

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The CEO of PragerU flagged it and Justin and Jesse ran it down: "adultism" is the newest critical theory movement, and it is currently being trained into educators at universities by a consulting firm that cannot run its own company according to its own principles. The idea is straightforward — adults oppress children by doing things like setting rules, making curriculum choices, and sometimes hugging them without asking first. Justin and Jesse trace the whole framework from Movement Consulting's anti-capitalist university trainings through a real April 2026 session at a San Francisco high school that explicitly labeled teachers as oppressors and students as the oppressed — and then explain where the "bodily autonomy for children" argument terminates, because that endpoint is not subtle. They also cover Karl Marx's actual family history (it is not good), the John Adams HBO scene about a drunk son that has more to say about parenting than any critical theory article, and why the church needs to be louder about this specifically. If you've ever had someone tell you that talking down to your child is oppression, this episode is the response.

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 Welcome to another episode of the Carpe Feade podcast where if the shoe fits you wear it and if the truth hurts you bear it I am Justin Gruber and I am Jesse Gruber and today we hope you will seize the faith Hey everybody welcome to episode 236 of the Carpe Feade podcast Come on that's you We missed you last week We did It was... We sad for us Yeah there's a lot of... We're back baby There's a lot of life happening right now For me and I'm just throwing everything off-kilter so I apologize It's really okay Jess Life happens man, it happens every second it happens So we just jump in, we just do this, we just get these people there, put their content These Carpe Feade starved, I'm not starved, I'm sure they're bringing it fed We're just one voice, the pond of voices Brain fed not brain dead But what? I do think of what? What did you say? You're dead? I don't know what I said Brain fed not brain dead Oh okay, alright, yeah no that's good, let's be the brain I came across this story that's kind of making the rounds It was mentioned by the CEO of Prager You actually And it got some wind, it got some traction and yet not enough I don't know why this is not being talked about more One of the things that every society has at its core Because it's just how God has created the world to be Is the family, the family unit And when you look back on history Many of the large civilizations have met their untimely demise When they began to not uphold clearly the family at its root And I say that because the idea, I want to refer to her by name It seems awkward to call her the CEO of Prager You Marissa Strait, Marissa Strait mentioned in an interview One of the issues creeping back in in the woke deep isphere which is far from dead Is the idea of altism And altism is in fun new word that we all need to know It's like racism Everybody's got an agenda I got an agenda We got an agenda, the chairman's got an agenda No, not an agenda Agenda Okay Childism exists because of white supremacy I don't know what else to say No, it's adultism exists because of white supremacy I'm sorry, adultism, yes Childism is what is needed to overthrow the oppressors We live in the dumbest, the dumbest time But if you're going to take the logical conclusion in this grand sphere of hegemonic oppression Just to control If you want to be truly woke You must understand that the children are being oppressed by adults that are adulting over the children And the children are wilting under the oppression of adults Yes, the adults are being adults and they're treating children like children And the children are just absolute It's like in the Avengers when what's his face snapped his fingers and everyone just kind of like fluffy away That's the state of childhood now in 2026 Yes, it's when it's when it's not his fingers Thank you, yeah, I clearly am not up on my I spent so long watching anything, Disney That's not true, that's not true, I watched Spider-Man noir, which I did find entertaining But besides that Childism, sorry Spider-Man, it's just no training, what was that sound? That sound? That sound comes from I have a one hour long video of random Michael Jackson, do you miss this play? This is this is the content everybody wants What is wrong with you? I don't know Yup, I heard that Oh my gosh, am I changing it? No No, this is live What were you going to say about Spider-Man noir? That's what a man noir is very entertaining, I would encourage you if you haven't watched it yet It's a good summer binge, it's entertaining I love that Nicholas Cage pulls off kind of a James Stewart-esque performance It's very interesting to me as someone who enjoys Jimmy Stewart's acting To watch Nicholas Cage be really be Jimmy Stewart And that actually comes out as to why he has this kind of nuances in the show, which is very interesting as well But it's a good watch, it's a good watch Did you watch them black and white or did you watch them color? Oh, I watched it black and white because yeah I kept flipping back Okay, you've got to stop, that's the worst thing I've ever... It's so bad Okay, adultism But did you notice how in Spider-Man noir there's only one child And it wasn't the great depression that was killing him It was no, it was them trying to educate him It was killing him trying to stop him from being a hooligan and a thief and a vagrant How dare there's adults? All right, we've entered what adultism is, but truly have to understand I like to understand at a deeper level what things are So when I'm looking at adultism, I'm like, all right, obviously this is some critical theory ridiculousness It's obviously critical theory nonsense But if adultism, which stems from our fascistic, capitalistic society and you're like, what is capitalism have to do with it? I understand, but that is exactly what they say It's the oppression of children under what we would call reality If I hear one on Michael Jackson, I'm going to reach through this screen I'm going to grab you by the neck, I'm going to shake you until the life ends from your eyes In Minecraft So the problem is that this is an institutional level It's an institutional level dictum, meaning that adultism is coming at us through the lens of critical theory And where critical theory is being manifested the most is inside of the structures of education Where we are promoting, particularly inside of education movements itself at a university level And then cracking out teachers that have these Marxist critical theory ideas in their heads And so when we look at adultism, we're looking at how adults are oppressing children This is the idea where adults, they introduce behavior guidelines and rules to children They, you know, adults are the ones that actually make the curriculum choices for children They decide how a child should learn and educate They, God forbid, sometimes they pick up a child when a child needs to be picked up Sometimes they, they might hug their child You see the real problem is parents are the real problem at the end Parents are the hegemonic structure that is pushing down children And ultimately this goes all the way to bodily autonomy Bodily autonomy is something children should have And now you really see where it goes because now we can let the petos have full range of children Because a child should be in charge of their bodily autonomy They should be able to decide when they can kill a baby, have unprotected sex, when they can mediate their genitalia You know, which is all insane because we wouldn't let our child go out the door when it's 28 degrees in snowing without a coat on But we're supposed to actually let our child have the autonomy to make these decisions It doesn't, it's the undoing of culture And so when you look back on society is that begin to erode the family and how their societies begin to then crumble This is exactly how it happens The fact that we have to talk about this is really painfully foolish It's a painfully foolish thing to have to talk about Yeah, when I read the first kind of like the definition article from We Are Movement But movement is misspelled to be edgy and emotional Like I read this and I thought two things I thought one I thought that like Critical race theory and all of this crap was like so 20 teens But it's still rearing its ugly head It just keeps showing up here So it's still extremely relevant and still an ideology worth worrying over Now like sometimes people they like harp on an issue and then they harp on the issue too long until Like they don't like get with the times and realize that like it's not even an issue anymore Like no, it's still here unfortunately Mainly because something as large as I don't know say in a national education system Just takes forever to get anything done and so they're just going to keep harping on it And then the second thing which you've already touched on is like I read this and I said This just paves the way to pedophilia I mean it's just words words on a page just paving that way And so the slip-race slope just man it just looks like a broad narrow path anymore If you see what I did there But it's all of the things that people poop hoot and said like Oh no, that's not what's happening here. It's just about equality Man, the mass just come off Yeah, it's interesting because one of the reasons I went to movement consulting That's the group that you're talking about The group that you're talking about is an organization that exists to train to set up the trainings Particularly at universities but for any business To train them to create let's see if I can let me use their words They are transforming organizations into radically nourishing spaces And so the group socially conscious people build radically just workplace cultures Three emotional relational and collective work That is who movement consulting is And I was really hoping that they didn't exist anymore except that We're utilizing an article that they've actually been working with for over a year now They published their article on childism which is the way we can give children rights against adultism For a while The founder of movement consulting is Dr. She uses the abbreviation DRA, Dr. I guess, but it's Dr. Nicole Cabrera Salazar She's an astrophysicist She's an astrophysicist and social impact entrepreneur When she founded the firm she was hoping to transform academic and STEM cultures to fully integrate and empower marginalized groups That's the idea here Now I was hoping this was a dead company It was founded in 2018 and it was still doing the work It's literally going in and helping universities set up the critical theory positioning The Marxist culture of hegemonic power so that they can retool their ethos into what I can only describe as a horrible affront to accomplishing anything I took some solace when I clicked on there about us They're more than a company Movement was founded on anti-capitalist principles for the cause of empowering marginalized people both through client work and within the company We have built and continued to build a culture where everyone can show up as their whole authentic selves It takes care of themselves first and then each other Can speak their mind, cope with ideas and suggest solutions, practice this community care I don't even want to know what community care is in this culture Can nurture their potential and receive support for their individual path Earns a piece of mind wage, asterix The piece of mind wage goes beyond the limitations of a living wage To allow individuals to set aside 10% of their wages for contingency and 10% for savings Great But here's what gave me some pause and hope At our current capacity as a company we cannot engage in collective decision making and recognize that our structure must be partially hierarchical for the time being They can't even keep their values inside their company They have to set up hegemonic powers like a hierarchy in order for their company to operate which I found is hilarious It may be think just that line Jesse may be think of animal animal farm All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others Did you see their team picture? Oh yeah So it's a lot of weird looking people but do you see the weird cut on that middle ones jeans? No one has distressed jeans there That's like I'm going to cut my jeans in half Oh wait I love these jeans and stopped it way Began to make jorts, how to mediate regrets, still wears pants anyway The focus of the company's founding is to have queer and marginalized women of color but also men of color as well It's a whole thing If by queer you mean they look really gay and by marginalized you mean I would probably bully them if we went to the same school Yeah no they don't They also say we also recognize that either or thinking is a tenant of white supremacy culture As we strengthen our infrastructure and build financial stability and set the foundation of the collective we want to become We still practice and embody collective principles All right anyway I give you that to let you know where this literal company set up to induct people into this ridiculous way of thinking Kind of comes from I'm scared to click on case studies because I don't want it to be like I don't want it to be success stories of how adults have grouped children So in an anti-capitalist way of artichoke In their article about childism which is their idea of having a movement for the rights of children And I know what you're thinking the rights of children to be cared for and brought up to become healthy adults But that is not what they're talking about They want to advocate for childism over and against adultism So that they can move towards a society where everyone has sovereignty and is treated with respect regardless of their social contributions Children need understanding compromise affection and care just as adults do They are individuals with their own bodies minds and thoughts Like why are you stating what is obviously true If not to say that you actually mean something totally different than what you're saying Well you see Justin on the non-capitalistic platform we view these words as you know Just very different than how the capitalist might portray them So it's no wonder you wouldn't understand Now you would think that why we raise the idea of the term of raising a child as the by would say Training a child, training them up in the way that they should go Right? You would think that that stupid Michael Jackson that that reality is so that the child can be treated So that the reality is so that the child can be cared for, provided for safe, healthy That that child can learn and grow to be a good human being A human being from a Christian perspective raised up and nurtured in the abolition of the Lord But the problem is capitalism Capitalism teaches us to connect I'm quoting directly from the movement collective or whatever they're called Capitalism teaches us to connect human value to labor productivity and since children often cannot provide labor They're seen as less valuable than working adults and thus less deserving of rights Now see that's not correct at all In fact if as a father I see immense value in my child And it has nothing to do with their labor output My child is valuable because they are a image bearer of God They have inherent value and worth and not only that they are a gift from God That I am in charge of stewarding for God's glory not my own The child has immense more value than the value that this view of adultism puts on them I didn't know if you wanted to talk I'm sorry You did that breathing thing where you like And then you didn't speak No I think that was just like a weird burp pickup thing I was trying to hold back I got distracted on something else I agree Because of adultism I'm sorry so I'll go back and listen to it and then because Because adultism is so oppressive We should ask children for the consent before we hug them Because it's their choice whether or not we hug them Yeah I mean once you open up that once you open up that giant old Ganta worms Every instance and active obedience is completely and under the optional Well of course because you it is the absolute undoing of the creative order Children are a product in this view Just as we are all products simple biological products And all of these biological products are all individual and should have no restraints upon them Placed by other biological products as opposed to children being a gift That is to be nurtured and cared for And then these children as simply another Just another entity There's a there's actually a devaluing in this For example when you talk down to children you make them feel inferior and invalidated Also sometimes you talking down to them helps them not stab another human being with a pair of scissors It's like we are totally ignoring the reality of what we know And that is that human beings need to tame passions that we must bridle passions But not in the critical theory vein, in the critical theory vein All passions must be unaltered and acquiesced too So that they can flourish to their fullest But we all know that children because of sin are tiny terrorists We all know this Compared to the larger terrorists in adults Right and when you don't actually teach children and eternal values What they grow up to be is large terrorists Which is kind of what our society is experiencing Huge masses of teenagers going out And beating one another up on the streets And they call it a party like that's what we're experiencing Because we can't actually raise a child with eternal care We must allow that child to dictate how they will be How they will act, what they will do Really, really foolish Now if we are not aware of adultism Then what will happen is, why anyone would be is beyond me It's one of those things you don't know you need to be aware of We must be aware that adultism is now being called out That the idea of these movements Don't get me started on this weak, soft parenting that allows children to make their decisions Over everything from what they eat to what discipline looks like What they wear What are we talking about But that's what this gets to This is the heart of selfish prideful arrogance that is present in man But if we don't know that adultism exists we can't actually begin to say That's a horrible foolish idea That will lead to death What we need to instead instead choose is life Glorious God-given life And these people have no framework about what to run back to So much so that they can't even run their business with their actual ideas Because their ideas dictate that there shouldn't be someone who's in charge of their business If they don't run their business by capitalistic principles And how are they getting their money? You know what? You're making lots of very lucid, realistic comments here But I mean they admit to this being a problem that they're trying to address I think probably what they do is they consult to They consult to government agencies and government programs And so the money that they take from those government programs is just the money from the people So it's all a socialistic experiment but really it's just pissing off the tax players It sure is As a tax player I can say I'm pissed off Yes, if New Jersey consulted with... I'm sorry, I'm trying to say movement With all these valves We're at where the end for some reason I don't know why Nevermind, I do know why I saw their picture, I know why But But But this is why in schools we have the The parent being removed purposefully That this is one of the reasons why we're very wary of public education on our podcast Because the goal is to remove the parent A child can go to school They can be transitioned They can have an abortion They can begin taking Drugs of kinds all without the parent knowing Because the child should have an autonomy from their parent Except that is what leads to death The role of the parent is to care for, protect and raise the child That's the whole idea And we're one of the biggest advocates on our show For you know Parents that don't do their job Should be openly and brutally tormented We are all about parents having to take responsibility for being parents Because there is a bad parent Does not actually mean parents are not needed But that is what is at the root of the training of our educators It's this critical theory nonsense And when we undo this, when we begin to undo this What we are not attacking is The hegemonic structure of parenting We're attacking God and how he has created everything That is what they're attacking Which makes sense because at the end of the day This is Marxism Marx hated God In a certain sense, Marx kind of had a whole thing for Satan Lies were his currency And he despises his own children Yes, he had children that starved to death If we're going to be very clear about this Starved to death And daughter and her husband who died in ritualistic suicide So not a great, not a good parent He would love this Because this means parents have no responsibility to their child He designed this, he literally, him and Angles designed this very thing In their writings, they advocated for children to be removed from their parents So that parents would not have positive influence on the children And that was the role of the state This is the playbook, man I thought it was losing ground But it is certainly not You know what? Have you ever watched the John Adams series on HBO? Well, it's an HBO miniseries Have you ever watched that? I have not, but you have said many good things about it I did a Google search one time just because I don't know My brain goes a million places all the time Little bit of everything all of the time But I did a Google search on what are the most historically accurate Historical like American dramas Because I wanted something that was entertaining in terms of production value Because I don't really have a ton of time for just bluff So John Adams was actually listed as one of the most historically accurate Things that were put into production And I love Paul G. Mottie, I think he's a great actor He plays John Adams But there was a scene And... It's definitely you who did that We should do this every time But there was a really interesting scene When... I forget the surrounding of it And I'm sorry that the setup for this is so freaking long But there was a scene where he finds out that one of his children had become a drunkard And he went to... And I personally have no historical verification of this History buffs, you know, whatever But it was a really interesting scene because he goes to where his son is And he just lays into him and basically disowns him And from a modern lens, like that is so harsh You know what I mean? Like no, he should help him He should help him become a better person But he's basically like no, I didn't raise you like this Like you're not my son, you're not my son, I didn't teach you this You're doing wrong And look at you now You have strayed from the path, like, and look at you now And it was just like... I remember watching that and this was years ago that I watched it And I was like, ooh, like I cringed at it But like... The reality is like... I don't know, your father and mother is a huge deal to God Like choosing the right path and not sitting in the way with sinners You know, that's a big deal to God And when we forsake that, when we allow our children When we allow our children to enjoy the sweet fellowship of family When they are choosing blatant and disobedient sin Like I'm thinking of more adult children at this point People who have capacity to understand this Like you don't get to enjoy... This is why church discipline is so effective Because that member doesn't get to enjoy the positive fellowship Of believers when they are not living the life of a believer You know, it's kind of a similar thing But I don't think these people watched that And if they did, they probably wrote an article about how terrible it was But it was just a really interesting piece I'd recommend people watch that Watch that series and find that scene Because it was a really powerful scene I like that, that's good advice, Chessie Well done, sorry I know that that didn't really like completely fit But it made my mind not there It does, it's parenting and it's the need for a parent to It's one of those things This particular topic, the idea of adultism It fits into exactly what you said, Chessie Because there are times I've always reminded of this And even our past teaching this past Sunday Jesus was mild That's the Greek understanding of gentle It's not gentle like we think we were just soft And we don't insert or do anything Jesus was mild Meaning that he answered a situation with the proper tone Not over and not under But the correct reaction The correct action in a situation He didn't overly react, he properly acted That is what it means to parent well There are times when you need to take a knee Come I do I do a child and have a conversation And then there are times when you need to violently run And grab them by the arm and pull them back Because they're about to run into a crowded street Both situations are the acts of a parent Trying to lead their child to life and away from death But it would be inappropriate for you to take a knee And gently call to your child to not run into death As they run into death and a car hits them in the street That would be the improper reaction And so when I hear adultism When I'm reading that Just this past April in San Francisco John O'Connell High School had an ethnic studies everywhere Week in seminar in which one of the sessions was youth as knowledge producers Challenging adult supremacy through ethnic studies That labeled literally Educators as oppressors and students as the oppressed Which I gotta tell you That's the end of the education system Yeah, honestly they're doing the work for us That's great because Christians are too complacent on the issue Absolutely I mean literally they said Due to systemic power dynamics The relationship between students and educators is an oppressive one Yeah, guess who's not going to be learning things? Children No child's like yes, sign me up for advanced math They're like no, I'll put it over here Toon my social media And the oppressor educator has to say Sure little Timmy, that's a great idea You don't need to learn algebra Algebra is oppressive Oh Susie, you need another bathroom break to go post on your only fans? That's okay, big feelings Like what? What? Yes, well This same session told said that The last one in the western context is demanding overwhelming and dehumanizing It's so true It's so true It's true but not for the reasons they think It feels so bad for Elon Musk His success has so dehumanized him It's really tough, probably really hard for him to be successful It's probably really difficult Well his whiteness is carrying him through I think Well his supremacy is you know We have another quote, just so many great quotes We have knowledge and life experience And it is our job as parents and teachers to impart information on the next generation of our kids Of course it is Given that large percentage of students in the district do not meet great level standards in ELA and math Our focus at school district is clearly way off track So true Yes Michael That's correct This is the stupidest experiment ever Oh my gosh There's just too many, I'm done, I'm done looking at this But this is literally happening Like This happened in April In a public school, this is happening in public schools Especially if you're near a big urban center I can guarantee you This level of absolutely retarded Process of education is happening And if we this is the reaction we should have This is the yanking our child away to safety Because they're running towards death in this Children Lack The capacity Right To no righteousness Without it being instructed to them It is not Intuited It's not Intuited what is truly righteous It's literally why God gave his law So that we might know what is righteous I mean literally Lord of the Flies Lord of the Flies is the natural understanding of children left to themselves Like We know this, we all know this And yet we have idiots that have letters after their names Trying to inject Into children who by the way what they do have Is the propensity To live faith Children have this propensity towards Giving a trust And now we're entrusting children To adults that are literally Coddling them And and training them up To do whatever they feel and want And then I get really upset Because these people want them to have bodily autonomy Cool you're telling them to do whatever they want You're setting yourself up In a system where you're instructing a child to do whatever they want And whatever they whatever they think feels right to do And then your setup as someone they come to To talk to express their feelings And the next thing you know what is that lead to you? Sick freaks Sorry this just really frustrates me Like this is dark, gross evil That is being set up as an educational platform Yep And it has it has it has the power And people and our politicians are so stupid And our parents honestly Aren't really any better In this country because we have a terribly weak church And we don't really have really good prophetic voices Speaking into our culture on these types of issues With a loud enough voice to actually wake people up And so this if successful just will sweep through And it will destroy generations of kids And families and lineages and heritages and legacies And it is you're right It is a disgusting and dark thing At its root. We make fun And we're very, we're very fun people But at the end of the day When we're talking about what this ideology is It is it is evil And it is it is the it is the type of thing Where that we should be warring against In terms of the principalities and powers This is that this is one of those things And it's a it's a big one Because Because we love kids Like we we love children Most of all But I mean like children are heritage from the Lord Like children have insane worth dignity and value To the Christian And to think that the Marxists Claim some type of Stake or role in In the The taking care of our children is An extremely extremely big red flag And it's the San Francisco gay men's choir It's telling us that they will convert our children We know you're children It's just a joke It was it was definitely not It was definitely not a joke That's what they want to do We know it wasn't a joke And And this is why we're thankful to be able to do the podcast Because we want you as a Christian To know that this is an existing idea That is going out If you're not informed How can you help Help other parents Help help other Christians In your community To understand that this is a real idea And this is really moving forward And you should hear it And look for Like they want us to look for ways in which we are pressing children No, no, I want you to look for ways in which their Ideacy is actually being Infected into cultures like the church Into communities like your own We get this little opportunity To talk to you about something that is real And actually happening That you may not have known about And the Bible is so clear That there is stages of learning That there is stages of growth And we have to He's just like a pedicostle amen We are to love That such is the kingdom of God in a child's heart That willingness to trust and to hope And to Exercise faith But we are not to simply subsist off of milk We are to grow in learning and understanding We are to grow In the nurture of the Lord that we might move To eating meat To understanding deeper things But we know Muito That is not the inclination of the heart of man Ritaling passions is what we are to learn and to war against and the natural inclination is to let passions run wild But we know that passions win rightly tamed and rightly focused for the glory of God actually find their true fulfillment That can't happen When what we're telling people Is to do whatever feels good and we're starting at five years old and then We're indoctrinating him in this lie so that they can grow up and be a 35-year-old Who expects everyone to do everything for them and never once seeks to stop himself or herself From doing the thing that they have decided will make them feel happy for a moment That's death. That's that's cultural death. It's physical death. It's emotional death All of these things that these people say they're very concerned about is exactly what they're leading everyone towards Oh my gosh I had nothing breath and I see this I see this in the emergency room the other day we had we had a parent come up to us Apparent who Is that a knock at your door that was a really loud It sounded like a knock guys, we're doing We've turned into a crime crime My big attack I'm just waiting for the second knock now. Sorry. Go ahead Jesse There's Michael Okay, okay, so earlier I heard a really loud knock and I texted my wife. I'm like did you hear that and she's like no But I'm really glad that you heard that because I feel like I'm crazy, but I'm also mortified That's so things So these wrong All right, I don't remember what I was saying was I say oh yes, there was a there was an adult There was a there was a parent there Um With her adult child her adult male child Um, and she came to the nurse's station and The nurse had given them pills medication to take and she came out and asked for applesauce so her adult child Take their medicine They don't like to swallow the pill the Johnny does not like to swallow pills this way he needs the mush You gotta give him the mush I was I had no way you're gonna go in that story. That's great. That's that's very sad That's very sad Dude it nothing makes me lose faith in humanity like working in an ER man. I'll tell you that But like we we literally have um DC parks and rec sending out text messages gathering hundreds and thousands of youths for hype parties and they're turning into these team takeovers And that's happening from the local government In our nation's capital where people are being shot at these things uh At some point maybe we should interject the reality of parents taking responsibility of raising their children If you leave it in the hands of the government that's what you get That's where these ideas go and that's how society erodes Because a family that God has given Is the foundational peace that's why the church is a family. It's a foundational peace of cultural fabric We need to seize a hold of this as a church. We need to celebrate Being responsible parents. We need to nurture and raise legacy in our children for the glory of God So adultism is a bad idea Childism is a worse idea. These are bad ideas. They really exist They're really being taught to educators. They're really going forward into the education process From the highest level Into the teachers that are now teaching at the lowest level you need to be aware It's the undoing of the creative order that God has given That's correct Michael that's correct. I hope those noises weren't noises weren't just Michael noises Do you think they were? Uh, you know, I really hope they were Regardless that is the episode of our podcast today And in giving you these tools we hope that you will this day Seize the faith You

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