Mary Didn't Consent: The Theology of James Talarico, Debunked

 Welcome to another episode of the Carpe Feade podcast where if the shoe fits you wear it and if the truth hurts you bear it. I am Justin Gruber and I am Jesse Gruber and today we hope you will seize the faith. Well hey everybody welcome to episode 231 of the Carpe Feade podcast. Bada Bing, Bada Bang, Bada Biscuits. That's one thing that happened today. Yeah, it's a new catchphrase I'm trying out. I don't think it's going to stick. I don't even know how to make a shirt out of it so it can't stick. Bada Bing, Bada Bang, Bada Biscuits. It could be a drum kit and all the symbols are biscuits. All right. You know what I'm going to episode 231. There's a butt for every seat as the used car salesman adage goes. There's a... Yep, I'm not going to say that. We've already had to re-record once so we're not going to do it again. Whatever we do, we do it live. Hey, one thing I wanted to let everybody know is that we are currently right now. Right now we are doing multiple things at one time. 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And we just may need to have a, like a less filtered version of the podcast. Anyway, all right, this is enough of this. I don't know, I don't know. That. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it's ready for that dude. No, the world isn't ready for James. So we go. That's the Christianity that James, Salary, go. That's the Christianity that is no place in being called Christian. And certainly no place in Texas. What are you guys doing down there? Are you trying to be New Jersey? We, we, we interact with culture a lot. And so when we do that, we try to speak clearly that we hold biblical values. I think we should all be clear as Christians. Biblical values are not the values that we, as sinful man, would choose. They're not. We know the sinful, the sinful things that we would choose. I literally had a conversation today where it's like, you have to understand, I'm not giving you my opinion. My opinion would be totally different than this. I'm not a great person. I'm giving you God's opinion because it's the only standard in which there is holiness and righteousness. I can't have a better standard than that. I need to have that standard. So I'm not giving you my opinion. This isn't like I made up these rules. I made up these, I made up salvation. I made up, I didn't make up any of this. This isn't my thing. And we're noticing an intense lack of inside of Christianity, biblical understanding, knowing God, loving His word, following what He says. There's this total ignorance about what the Bible says or why it says what it says. And it's kind of disturbing. So we're going to use James Tallerico because the problem I really have with James Tallerico is not that he holds theoretical views because he does. The problem I have with James Tallerico is that he's not the only one that holds these theoretical views. He had a whole seminary that he went to. He goes to a church that holds these views. And it seemingly from photographs is a bit strange. That's why we won't go to seminary. Right, like this is the real problem. The real problem is not like James Tallerico. Yeah, he's a problem. Do I know if he'll be elected? I mean, I don't know. He can beat Jasmine Crockett because if there was a nut job crazier than her, it's definitely him. But if there was a nut job crazier than him, it's definitely her. Strike that, reverse it. But I don't know. Everyone's ready for this level of crazy. You want to hear something stupid? Always. Is that we talked about something and then I went to go, because then I'm like, ooh, that reminds me of lyrics I just listened to. And I finally found the lyrics, but I have no idea what it was connected to in the podcast. Like I said, we do this live. We will not be taking this part out in post. Do you want to read the lyrics or? Well, I was listening to Reliant K today because every now and then that's just what I do. And I was thinking of a story that Jameson keeps walking around kind of jokingly, but at the same time, we have conversations all the time with people, with my, not people, not just random people, but also random people, but also my children. Oh my gosh, this is gonna be great. And he keeps saying that life's not fair. Life's not fair. His life fair is like really fair. And then I was listening to Reliant K today and they have one line in the song, and be my escape that says, but the beauty of grace is that it makes life not fair. And I have no idea what I was gonna tell that story. It's a great line. It's a fact. If you get back about three or four minutes, maybe you can find out what story that was gonna connect to. And maybe it'll help you. When Jesy remembers exactly why it was that. I would like everyone to know that show notes is not going to be something in the Patreon because we don't have any. Okay. That's not true. Sometimes you do have show notes. And like you can probably figure out. Oh my gosh. We usually have show notes for Bluey. Bluey were fairly consistent. We always have show notes for sure. Yeah. We try to keep that tight, tight and rigid. You know what's a dumb statement? Sorry. Here's a dumb statement. Justice is love and public. Wait, did I mess up? Why are you laughing, sorry? I'm not gonna say why I'm laughing so much. Just keep going. You guys need to pray for Jesy. He means Jesus. So what are we doing? We keep it tight. That reaches it. I'll go back and listen to this. Obviously when I said I did register. It's obviously hilarious. Well, it's just hilarious to me. I can't wait till I listen to him on Friday. Oh my gosh. You know what's a dumb quote? Justice is love out in public. What? Justice is love out in public. Sounds like a Derek Webb lyric. Yeah. Or James Talleriko line. But I'm sure him and Derek Webb would be big friends. Anyway, I think they would be more than friends. Well, I do think his church would support his decision. 100 to 100. What we're going to do is play some clips. We're just going to let James himself dig his own grave. And then we'll go ahead and talk about what the Bible says. Because here's the problem. Again, this is not exclusive to James Talleriko. He's been taught these things. He's learned these things. These things are preached from James Talleriko's pulpit. Not his pulpit, the pulpit as church. His pastor is uncomfortable using the term God because it carries too much baggage. That's the level of Christianity. I'm sorry, quote unquote, quote unquote, you can't see me. It's a podcast. Christianity. I can see that he's a part of. You can see me. All right. This is a smart eloquent. Everyone, he did air quotes just then. Keep it tight over there. OK. All right. Jesse, hit us with the first James Talleriko. Look at evidence to support the opinion of being pro-borsher. In Genesis, God creates life by breathing life into the first human being, which we later call Adam. Life starts when you take your first breath. And that is actually the main line position of the Judaism is that that's when life starts. And then the last story I would go to is the story of Mary. Mary is probably my favorite figure in the Bible, Mother of Jesus. She has a vision from God. She's going to get birth to a baby who's going to bring the powerful down from their thrones. But I say all this in terms of the context of abortion because God asks for Mary's consent. The angel comes down and asks Mary if this is something she wants to do. And she says, if it is God's will, let it be done. Let it be. So to me, that is an affirmation in one of our most central stories. Creation has to be done with consent. You cannot force someone to create. Creation is one of the sacred acts. And to me, that is absolutely consistent with the ministry and life and death of Jesus. What do you think? Shall I read it? He's highly vaccinated. And this goes without saying, obviously, highly vaccinated individual, James Delarico. Bro, looks like it's like if Mitt Romney was on Zambian, I think is like, I don't know, like if we can explain this in political terms. Zambian. Amian. Amian? Zambian's the African version. You could have Zanzibar to get the Zambian. There you could be the Zanzibar Barbarians. Forgive me for my last comment. Zambian. One of us works in a hospital. The other one does not. I've really got to stop taking Zambian. Where did you get it? Dude, you were OG and I'm at Zambian right now. Yikes. All right. Just want to start off before we address the full scripture, which will tell you the answer to this question. But Jesse, did Jesus come to overthrow the powerful rollers of the earth? Is that like, was that like his purpose and like chief goal in his mission? No. If Jesus had come to overthrow the people, or I could be cheeky and say, not at that time. It was, it is in the subset of what will happen. Yes. Of the chief reason. Yes, because of the reason that he came. Yes. Let me ask you another question. If Jesus had come to overthrow earthly leaders, wouldn't he have succeeded? Yes. Every time. He would always succeed. Like, I'm just concerned that when you don't understand the main thrust of the gospel, you don't understand the gospel. Yeah, you kind of have to, yes. There's key, there's essential pieces of the gospel that you must understand. Ironically, it is also so simple that children can understand, but apparently, not James. All the vaccines are getting in the way. Jesse, why don't you go ahead and read for us? Sure, man. What exactly happened when the angel came to marry? This was, I will say this. This was one of my favorite sermons to preach. We, for a couple of years, we did, at Advent time, we did through the series called Through the Rise and we kind of just took, we went through, I mean, we went through the, the Nativity story, but just from the different perspectives of different people, and I, I told them, Mary, one year, and I really enjoyed it. So, now, in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth to a virgin, but troeth to a man whose name was Joseph of the House of David and the Virgin's name was Mary. And coming in, he said to her, greetings favored one, the Lord is with you. But she was very perplexed at this statement and was pondering what kind of greeting this was. And the angel said to her, do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God and behold, do you want to conceive in your womb? No. And oh, oh, sorry, hold on. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son and you shall name him Jesus. He will be great and he will be called the son of the most high and the Lord God will give him the throne of his father David and he will reign over the House of Jacob forever and there will be no end of his kingdom. But Mary said to the angel, how will this be since I'm a virgin? The angel answered her and said to her, the Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the most high will overshadow you and for that reason the Holy Child shall be called the son of God and behold your relative Elizabeth has also conceived a son in her old age. And this is the six, and this is the six month for her who was called Baron for nothing will be impossible to God and Mary said, behold, the slave of the Lord may it be done to me according to your word and the angel departed from her. There's a lot of wills and there's a lot of wills and shals there. I feel like it was fairly direct. I feel like you missed a little, I don't know, it's in parentheses here. I don't know if you so the angel answered and said to her, the Holy Spirit will come upon you after you sign this consent form. Do you not see that in parentheses? Oh, you know, it's the footnote, I miss the footnote. Yeah, and then it goes and the power of the most high will overshadow you, but only if you as long as you're cool with it. If you. So right off the top, Jesse, I'm not getting the consent in here. Can you unpack it? Is it because Mary in verse 38 says, may it be done to me according to your word? Right, is that what he thinks consent is? Because if he thinks that's consent, and I feel like we are, he needs to be reeducated. I think that that's probably what he thinks it. I think that that's what he thinks it is. Yeah, it's weird when you say the bond slave of the Lord, and then you then think that she's actually consenting every giving God permission to do a thing that he just told her he was going to do. Yeah, yes, a little weird. It's very confusing. Yes. To James, to James is very confusing to James, to Leriko. Yeah, this is not none of this has to do with Mary's consent to carrying Jesus Christ. Like none of it. This is God doing what he always does in his redemptive work. Always, it is his choosing, always and ever. It always is this way. There is none worthy. God chooses and through his grace and mercy uses. That's it. There's no other, there's no other plan. Correct. Correct. So God chooses Mary. He then tells Mary. He then tells Joseph. That's what happens. There was, there's no optionality. There is no, there is no. If it's OK with you, here's what God is proposing. Here's, this is God's, this is his suggestion. Now it's not, you know, it's not essential. You know, we can figure it out. But you know, if you don't mind, that's not present in this text. No, not, not, not at all. I mean, you, you, you all were here for it. I read the whole, the whole context. I mean, verse 39 starts now at this time, Mary Rose and went and heard of the whole country. I mean, that's, that's the end of that interaction with the angel. This is why it's problematic because so many people, I mean, Joe Rogan has on everyone. Joe Rogan's list of what he actually thinks believes is whatever, whatever dog bulls in front of him at that moment, probably from the weed. Just whatever's in front of him is the greatest idea. The weed definitely has something to do with it, yes. So it's like whoever he's talking to is just, he's always blown away by like, yeah, that's it. Like he literally at the end of this interview is like, you should run for president. Like, are you an idiot, dude? Like, why are you so dumb? You just, you just take whatever you are spoon fed. If the irony here is, this is just, I'm going off on a tangent. The irony of Joe Rogan, like, if you listen to Joe Rogan, that's fine. Like, I listen to so many podcasts I have listen to Joe Rogan many times. I consume a lot of content. If you listen to Joe Rogan, here's the thing. He builds himself as this, as a subversive guy. When he is the biggest sheep in the room, whatever is in front of him, he is cool with. Like, he is like, oh, yeah, that's a great idea. Oh, I never thought about it that way. Like, oh, yeah, I never thought about how I should stab my leg with a knife to increase blood flow. Like, it doesn't matter what the topic is. He's like, oh, he's novel idea. He's a sheep. He is like the sheep of sheep's. And because so many people listen to him and allow, he has no, you know, true, deep concept at times to really push back on these things. It's just like, oh, it's a great idea. Oh, yeah. This is not biblical harmonetics in any way. This is literally idolatry. Like, it's just, I straight up made up my own religion. This is my own religious dogma crap. And if we, like, Christian, you have to know the word. If you don't know what God has said, you don't know God, the whole idea of God writing it down for us, miraculously through the power of the Holy Spirit over thousands of years, writing it down is specifically so that we could know him. We can't know the infinite unless it actually intersects and intervenes into the finite. God has done that. And then we don't know what it says and say wild stupid things like this. And other people that also don't know what it says, but our Christian adjacent are like, oh, yeah, that's a Christian belief. I'm a Christian, I believe that. No, it's not a Christian belief. You're not a Christian. Don't believe that. Yes, believe what it actually says. Yes, please come to repentance. There's so much grace and forgiveness here. This is man made garbage. Yeah, the best way to read the Bible is to read the Bible to know God. That's the best way. It is not to read the Bible and to project God onto your political leanings and whims so that you can gain the fake Christian vote in Texas. That's not the way to read the Bible. No, and I do want to be very clear. I believe James Tolerico genuinely believes everything he says. Like I believe he genuinely does. I think so too, because he says it all with an extremely straight face. Yeah, a straight face. And like, there's this level of, there's, I don't know, he's attempting to speak it with authority. Right, but there's a level of condescension. Like this, I'm so calm and chill. I'm, I'm, let me just condescend to you. And this is what I believe God's has for you to hear today. And it's just like, ew, burrow, like, first of all, go eat some red meat or something. Like everything about you just screams soft, like just so soft, everything is so soft. Why do you do your hair like that? Like, stop. Anyway, Gary did not consent to giving birth to the Savior of the world. Joseph did not consent to marrying a pregnant woman. He was told he would. She was told that she would. And because it was what God had ordained, it is what happened. Anyway, what else is James Salary? Go ahead. Next clip, rolim. For looking to the last 40, 50 years, the religious right has made a concerted effort to make homosexuality and abortion the two biggest issues for Christians. And, you know, the Southern Baptist Convention was prune. Paul's it for a second. First of all, I'm sorry, James. Let me be clear. Culture has shoved homosexuality and abortion. All of it on demand, chopping up bodies, putting your genitals wherever you want. They have defined, I lived in a town that took down the posters of veterans that gave their lives in service to thrust upon us a flag that represents where people put their genitals. That's what they did. It is not the Southern Baptist Convention that has made this a big issue or evangelical Christianity or whatever weird phrase theology of Christians you want to do. It is because the culture has jammed packed everything with where you put your genitals, what you do with them, and how you can cut them off. And if that's not good enough, you can just kill the baby. This is the culture, dude. Like, where are you living? You think Christians wanted to have these discussions? Like, come on. Come on. For a long time, we didn't have to have any of these discussions. Thanks. Thanks Obama. I'm like continuing the clip now. Yeah, go ahead. I just... Until the late 1970s, so this idea that to be a Christian, who means you have to be anti-gay and anti-borshan, there really is no historical, theological, biblical basis for that opinion. Well, the plan was... Such a wild take. Dude, that is such a wild take, dude. We are one, two, three, and a third of the way through this clip. The Borshan even invented. Well, there was certainly a... I wish you could see Joe Rogan's face. I wish you could see his face. He's trying so hard to say those like seven words. But when was a Borshan even invented? Like, it's like a steam engine or something. Like Joe Rogan's... This is maybe the biggest sheep in the room. Brow. When was a... When did people want to get rid of inconvenient pregnancies? Forever, dude. Forever. Forever. He's like, man, I gotta smoke way more. I'm having James Tyler Rico on the show. When was a Borshan invented? Like, when did we invent Borshan? You know, like Thomas Edison with the light bulb or like the phone? When did we... Oh my gosh. In the ancient world, there's... Well, there's some... And again, I haven't stated this enough to say this definitively, but there are... There are the bi-bosses. There are the bi-bosses of certain passages from the Torah where some folks will even say that there is some subtle instructions for how to perform an abortion in the ancient world, certain things to drink, things like that. Oh my gosh. The point is... That this idea that there is a set Christian orthodoxy on the issue of abortion is just not rooted in Scripture. We can have an honest debate about it. It's Pope Francis. You know, we're to come back and sit at this table and tell me, you know, James, I'm pro-life and anti-borshan. Here's my theological argument. I'm here to listen and respect that opinion. I have dear friends who are anti-borshan. All I'm asking is that for Christians who are pro-choice and who respect the bodily autonomy of women, that we be given the space to make our theological argument, because I think there is a lot of biblical evidence to support that opinion. DUDE Dude... In another clip, he says that it's... It's because in Genesis 1, that man became alive when God breathed into him. So it's the first breath that makes life. And so it's okay for people to abort babies because they're not breathing. But can I...? And he says that... That he also says that in some teachings from rabbinical teachings in the Torah that it was... They had certain aspects of when a baby became alive. Again, it's all stupid. It's really... It's so foundationally stupid. I literally had someone make that exact argument, by the way, the breath thing to me today. So... Yeah, let me just... Not uncomfortably. Let me just read another little bit here. It exists 21, 23, 25, and men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely. If there is an orindry, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband will set for him. And he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall pay... Life for life, I for I, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, bruise for bruise, wound for wound. Now, the list starts. Life for life. This man is so retarded. Like, I want to be very clear about this passage, because I actually, my daughter was having a great discussion with somebody, and I, about, specifically about abortion, and I gave her this passage to talk through with them, and there was some confusion for them, because it... They read verse 22, and they took it as, there's just a fine for life. And I said, no, no, no, you don't understand. This, this past, this isn't talking about the men, right? Like, there's a, there's passages prior to this, and actually there's 21 that deals with two men that struggle and hurt each other. This is talking about two men that are struggling and hit a woman. The first, the first thing is, if that baby, if that pregnancy is interrupted in any way, and the baby comes out early, or in an exasperated way, even if that baby is perfectly healthy and fine, God views the woman that is carrying life so highly that there will be a fine against those men. Not a predetermined fine, for whatever the husband says it should be. Because they endangered a pregnant woman. There's a fine. That's the first thing. If that's, that's for, we affected this pregnancy, but everything is fine. We still owe a price, because our actions have consequences. Verse 23 is key, if there is any further injury, not to the woman, to the baby. That's what verse 23 is talking about, explicitly. And the first line is life for life. There is no other reading of this passage. There is no further exposition. There is no hidden meaning. There is no, could mean this, could mean that. It says what it says, and it means what it means. This is not a controversial passage in that to say that it's hard to understand. And I'd like to amend what I said earlier. I called him retarded. I know some people have a problem with that. I'm going to up the ante. This man is wicked, evil. He perverts God. He perverts God's word. And he will be judged way harsher than any of my words that I could possibly think to say about him if he does not repent. I just wanted to amend my previous statement. Yeah, no, absolutely. I love everything about this. When you, so when you take the Bible, it's teaching us holistically, and you know that God nits together of the baby in the womb. When you know that Jeremiah 1.5 is very clear, that before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. And before you were born, I set you apart. It's very clear that God is forming the baby in the womb. That life comes through and only through God. That God is the one who gives life. And he knows that baby before he even begins the process of knitting them together in physical life. That is why you then connected to, and I literally said that that's God who knows that baby. We don't know when that baby becomes alive. God knows that baby before it's even, he even forms it in the womb. So we don't know when life begins. That was the argument that was given to me. I said, yeah, but when you take another passage, like God's law, where he specifically told his people what was to happen when someone injures a baby in the womb. And that could be anywhere from whatever the injury is to death. We know that all of life is sacred. It doesn't matter where the life is. It is sacred. And the fact that this man went to seminary also really, really to me just want to drive this home. Seminary is completely unnecessary. It is not scriptural. It is a man-made institution that clearly lacks significantly. Part of my concern with seminary is, you know what it does? It fills up the mind. And there's a problem when you fill up the mind. Because when you fill up the mind, you can become very proud and arrogant as the Bible tells us. But it doesn't actually mean you know anything. So I will support the underground seminary, run by Dan Sam's fantastic, fantastic tool and resource for elders and laypeople like. Yes, 100% facts on underground seminary.net. We've had, we had one of the guys in our church utilized it for some of the projects. And it really has sent him down a whole road of learning and it was a fantastic time. Underground seminary.net, I nailed that by the way. That's what it's been a long time. I would expect nothing less from you Jesse, honestly, truly. I'll let people know that Dan recorded many of these sessions before he had a wonderful, wonderful beard and just be aware of that. Yes, but if you connect with an underground seminary, you could actually find yourself in a video chat with his wonderful beard. So just say it. Yeah, he'll grade your papers. It's wonderful. That's a fantastic resource. All right, anyway, put enough about that. Put enough about that. Let's hear how swarmy this guy gets with this poor old lady at the podium and this chamber meeting, this council meeting here. Take away James. I'm safe. Fellow Christian. Rips and nobody know you're about Christianism. And so am I. This question of me is not only unconstitutional. It's not only un-American. I think it is also deeply un-Christian. Oh, Paul's it. What's the bill you're, you wonder? What is this bill that is unconstitutional un-American and un-Christian? Now hilariously, this is not a federal panel that we're talking about here, which is where the first amendment applies. Yeah, the bill in question, by the way, is public displaying of the Ten Commandments, which I gotta tell you, it would be very shocking to George Washington to know that this is unconstitutional and un-American. It would be shocking to anyone who has a Bible that contains Exodus to find out that it is un-Christian. So this would be all shocking things. But thank you, James. Continue. Say that because I believe this bill is idolatrous. I believe it is exclusionary. And I believe it is arrogant. And those three things in my reading of the gospel are diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus. And I do know, Matt, can you pause it? Who do you think wrote the Ten Mailments, idiot? They all shall have no other gods before me. It's the first one. And you know what, it is very exclusionary. It is exclusionary to the people that want to murder. It's a real exclusionary to people who want to live covetously. It's really exclusionary to people who want to worship other gods. It's very exclusionary to those people. It truly is. At the same time, putting them up in any building is not going to stop anyone from worshipping what they truly want to worship. But maybe it could perhaps encourage someone not to bear false witness, like it's actually not good. Maybe it could inform someone's conscious, which is what law does. To actually, I don't know, not kill. You probably know what Jesus says in Matthew 6.5. Yeah, I also know what he said in Exodus 20. You. All right, continue. 6.5 when Jesus says don't be like the hypocrites. We love to pray publicly on street corners. When you pray, go into your room and shut the door. Jerry picking up the Jesus who is in secret. Ironically, this bill I don't think has to do with prayer at all, actually. No, this is a religion that has to force people to put up a poster to prove its legitimacy is a dead religion. And it's not one that I want to be a part of. It's not one that I think I am a part of. Certainly isn't. Certainly is. That's why I'm cutting this off here. It's it's it's James James. Let me explain to you. If you're going to try to sit in public office, you should probably find an actual true standard of justice. I mean, after all, as you say, justice is just love on display in public. That is not what justice is. You idiot. Like this is so foolish. This old lady that you are calling a non-Christian, that you are ice-adjeeting Jesus in Matthew 6.5. Talking about the arrogant Pharisees who didn't pray to the whole point was they don't pray to God. They pray for show. They pray for show. That is different than publicly displaying righteous laws so that none are ignorant. Like what are we even? And he picks apart this lady. This old older looking lady. As if he like it's just swarming us like, who? Who do you think you are? How convinced are you of your own religion that you have made? But he has so many more clips. Like this is the problem, by the way, when you run for public office. James Tyler Rico gets his hot five minutes, because he's the new one of the block until everyone gets to what he has to say. And then it's like, oh, hang on a second. Take it away, James. I listened to 15 hours of testimony on this bill. The worst part for me was the number of Christians who used Scripture to justify hurting children. Even a... Oh no. Affirming transgender ideology is proven to hurt children and drive them to want to kill themselves. Slow clap for that guy. Slow clap. I mean, I don't even know if he'll be able to understand that we're clapping. That's how slowly we are clapping. We've been on this floor today, a member, tried to justify a hateful amendment in the name of God's law. So let's talk about that. Okay. The first two lines of the Bible. Oh, thank heavens. He's going to use two lines in Genesis. Yes, two. Helles. Hebrew words to describe God. You don't say it. One is the masculine Hebrew noun for divinity. Okay. The second is the feminine Hebrew noun for spirit. God is both masculine and feminine and everything in between. God is non-binary. In Genesis 1.26. He said it with a straight face. He said it with a straight face. It's the same. Man. Man. Man. Man. That's the same man. The masculine. The infinite multitude. And everything in between. Oh, my gosh. It couldn't mean that there's more than one person to God. You. It couldn't mean that. It couldn't mean what all of church history has understood it to me. Very plainly. It couldn't mean that. Let me help you, James. Let me help you with how language works. Have you ever learned Spanish, Jesse? See. See. So you know how the articles are, you know, the actual use for the term gendered. Like the articles are gendered depending on how usually the word ends. What what what what's like. El Nino or La Nino. Yeah. See, perfect. You understand how it works. When you're talking about what you're talking about, you know, words, when you're talking about words like spirit in Hebrew, it has a certain suffix. It has a certain gender. The word itself is gendered. It doesn't change that the word is talking about spirit. And it doesn't make it automatically feminine. A girl. Like like the word the Hebrew word for house is feminine. Oh, my gosh. It doesn't mean that houses are girls. Like I'm pretty sure it means every house has a different downstairs from a man. Well, this basement feels very feminine. Dude, I don't know if I've ever walked into a basement and been like, well, this is really feminine. I think basements are explicitly masculine things. They do. They feel like a bunker. Now I need to look up the Hebrew word for basements. See if it's a masculine noun. Dude, I don't even know, man. They just slept up. Yeah, yeah. So just to be clear, that's why Genesis says that. Like this is not. He could have gone to like an actual term where it says God has like God does have maternal aspects. Because he is like a chicken. Yes. Or an eagle like a mother. No, mother hen. No, mother hen. I was surprised actually that he didn't go to that passage. Well, he's probably too dumb to know it exists. The reality. That would assume that James has read the Bible. He does it. No, the Bible. Let's be clear. Even in that passage, it's trying to indicate the same thing that is true of all men. Men do have the maternal aspects to them. They do care. Men are not like we're not automatons like soldiers. We are also caring individuals. Like just like women aren't only maternal. But they also are very protective. Is this where it gets to insert my story about all the gay people that were commenting on all my own posts is where it gets to insert this story? I mean, you can insert that story anytime. I enjoy very much commenting on that. So I commented. I made the mistake of commenting on the fill it up the eagles post, which has garnered almost a thousand likes. You said almost a thousand likes. It's like is that 900. That's crazy. I want to I want to find the yeah, 951. It's pretty impressive. Oh, 953 now. So yeah, I commented on the eagles pride month post, which I do want to note they posted a picture of a trans pride flag. Eulago, but they did not change their profile picture. So we are winning by the way. Just wanted to note that. All right. So I did that. And basically what happened was all these gay people started lambasting my public posts because if you go to my profile, and you're not my friend, you'll see selected posts that were made public either people are requesting them to be public because they want to share them or whatever. So this one woman, this one spurious woman went to several of my posts and said the stupidest things. But one was me sharing Jameson's comics, which if you would like to you can follow at the Daily Meows on Instagram and you will find his comics. But she she commented she said these are dumb. Which then earned her the wrath of all of my friends and my family, which I appreciate. I appreciate your comments, Justin and the comments of all of our friends and all the comments of the people in our carpet feed H. Who who also stood up and just roasted this woman because what it's almost like the LGBTQ people want to harm children. That's crazy. By the way, the post was very explicit that it was his his 10 year old son like it was his child. Oh, totally. Yeah, it was very explicit in this. Hey, my son does my son really loves you in his comic. If you want to give it a follow. Back by the way, this is what this lady, this is there's a level of hatred and bitterness in these people. This post is from December of 2025. It is seven months ago. Like we're talking a long time ago. That's the level of hatred to dig around and make a comment like that. Like go. Like there's so much. There is so much hatred of what is something that just innocuous and nice and good and kind. You know what a normal person that actually reads like would read Jameson's comments. I think a dumb would do nothing. They would do nothing because it's a child's comics. They wouldn't say they thought it's dumb. They wouldn't say they thought it was silly. They wouldn't say they thought it was a waste of time. They would say that's nice and they would move on. That's what a normal person with any sort of decency. So the most remote levels of innate amago day decency would do. So the level of bitterness and hatred to actually find and post on this post where she I'm hoping she thought she would be safe because she was not. Because when you expose your actions to the light, they are known and they were known and she definitely found out. That's all I'm going to say. But this absolute stupid comment from James Tolerigo is not biblical. It is not Christian. It is what he believes. It is what he believes. Like that is what James Tolerigo believes. He goes to a church that struggles to talk about sin that struggles to talk about God because these are offensive terms. That's what James Tolerigo believes. James Tolerigo believes a man made gospel. A man made Bible. A Bible that is infused with his own conjurings. He can tout himself as a Christian candidate all he wants because he went to a seminary and because he read some texts out of context. That doesn't make him a Christian. I think it makes him the opposite. A heretic. If only James would shut his mouth. Oh wait, no, he said more dumb things. Oh, James. I'm going to finish it. We can finish it. Children are God's children made in God's own image. There's nothing wrong with them. Nothing at all. They are perfect. They are beautiful. And they are sacred. Bullying children is immoral. It's a sin. A special kind of sin. I think I felt out of this problem. His face. Not only can't grow a beard, but the beard is actively running away from his face. So, so much so that I think the roots of the beard that could have been are just firmly implanted in his brain causing mental incapacity. Yeah, well that's because it's like a reverse beard. It's so far up there. The beard knows that this man is certainly male and female and everything in between. Amen and a with it. You know, you know what's like super impressed upon the scriptures is when you don't teach a child the truth. That makes you an abusive adult. That's what makes you abusive. When you don't teach them the truth. When you withhold access to the truth. When you pervert and distort the truth to children. That is what makes you abusive. Telling a child that they are a boy or a girl. As God actually made them in the Amongo day. That is not abusive. That is loving because it is true. Like what do you. The literal swarm coming off of this guy about how he thinks he knows things is really frustrating because he is absolutely publicly illiterate. Anyway, do you want to let him keep talking? That's all that I had. Did you play for? Wow. That's enough. I was actually about to say like I don't care what else. We probably have heard enough from him. This is why the problem is we must know the word. We must speak the word. I didn't withhold anything in the conversations that I had today when they came to the Scriptures. I was clear about what the Scripture actually says and that it doesn't matter what I have to say. The Scriptures say actual things. That is what matters because God has revealed Himself. Then God revealed Himself in physical flesh to die for sin and resurrect to conquer sin and death. That's what He came to do. In doing so, He will make all His enemies His footstool. It is, dear Christian, intensely political. Inasmuch as He has made everyone who calls upon His name as Lord and Savior, aliens and strangers to the world. We are citizens of His ever-expanding kingdom and governance. And there will be no end to His kingdom or of peace. Peace only comes through Jesus Christ. We must know these things so that we can speak to these things so that people aren't allowed to ignorantly think someone like James Talleriko actually knows anything. So that we aren't sitting there looking like we're struggling to form thoughts and say, but when was abortion like invented? We need to be clear and prepared. If we do not know what God has said, we will not be able to address these things. Also, if you go to a PCOSA church, please, please message us simply with the area in which you live. And we will search hard for an actual church that actually teaches the Bible because these churches do not. I can't get over that. It's past your struggles to use the word God because it's a term that carries too much baggage. What do you read from? What are you? I shouldn't say anything. We have literally the Baptist church in the town that I'm my mailing addresses in is this level of stupid. This level of self-help, hippie run nonsense. I mean, I don't mean that like I'm in the 60s and I'm direct big and dorogatory hippies. I mean, literally the guy that runs it is a hippie. And they hold pride fest. In fact, this month on Pride Week in that town, he will have resources for children specifically for children that are queer or trans. And that church does. And it's not a church. It doesn't have anything connected to the truth of Jesus. Nothing. It's a travesty. Yes. Yes, amen. Well, that was a podcast right there. Yeah, I feel good about that one. It's not again. We use James Talleriko because these are actually what the culture refers to as main line. Christian ideas. They are there as main line as the things you would actually see in your city's main line. That's what they are. They are the culture warping and distorting any aspect of truth that God actually has given in the Amago day and in his word. Blit. What a good place to stop. Wait, go what? So what a good place to stop. Yes. James Talleriko, because you are another warm or cold, I will spit you from my mouth. And you should worry much more about whether or not Jesus will. Because I'm nothing. And he is everything. But I speak. Anyway, with that dear Christian, we've come to the end of this podcast. And we hope that you this day would seize the faith.