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Ice Football, Angry Anglicans, and "Procreative" OnlyFans
EP 219 CARPE FIDE FEB 27, 2026 by Jesse & Justin Gruber

Ice Football, Angry Anglicans, and "Procreative" OnlyFans

"Exploring the absurd: Ice Football, Anglican meltdowns, and a Christian OnlyFans debate."

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Justin and Jesse Gruber broadcast from the badlands of South Jersey to officially rename hockey to "Ice Football" and celebrate the beautiful sound of the New Jersey governor getting relentlessly booed by Devils fans.

Moving from sports to spiritual gymnastics, the guys trace the 1950s "stay out of our bedroom" movement directly into the modern church. They compare C.S. Lewis's safe, "vanilla" Anglican roots to today's Church of England, highlighting a clergyman's Greta Thunberg-style meltdown over the church not fully affirming "procreative" and "God-glorifying" same-sex marriages.

Then, they tackle the ultimate boss of post-truth secular logic: a viral post from a churchgoing, charity-running lesbian mom who claims her spicy OnlyFans account is just her faithfully loving the sensual body God gave her.

Plus: Jesse valiantly fights off sleep on mic, the guys realize they completely lost track of their recording time, and they drop a tease for a brand new podcast t-shirt.

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 Welcome to another episode of the Carpefeide Podcast where if the shoe fits you wear it and if the truth hurts you bear it. I am Justin Gruber and I am Jesse Gruber and today we hope you will seize the faith. Hey everybody welcome to another episode of the Carpefeide Podcast. That kind of rolled out weird. We are just out of practice. We have been doing like you want to get off again sermon. Which I hope everybody has been enjoying. They have been good. Welcome to the Bob Bob Doop Dot Dot Dot Doop Dot Dot Dot Dot Dot. Sorry that is just for me. This is episode 219 of the Carpefeide Podcast. So Jesse 219. That is crazy. We are glad that you have joined us on this wild ride of biblical cultural exploration from the sad minds of Jesse and Justin Gruber trapped in South Jersey. Well I have learned a lot over the past couple of years so. Jesse did you know that the United States Olympic hockey team beat Canada for the gold medal in the Olympics? It is in their own game. Yes it was true. It was interesting in that way and I was watching the daily wires conversations about the... What major thing to say to the Union? Say to the Union and Matt Walsh is like... I think we should keep doing this. I think we should just win and cricket now. We already did that though. We won cricket. Yeah I am going to have to look it up now. I don't know. But anyway I thought that was funny. It amused me. Catholic is going to be funny sometimes too. Sorry I am just burping into the microphone. I don't know if anybody can hear me. So this will take us back to the summer Olympics of 2024. Team USA beats cricket powerhouse Pakistan in historic World Cup victory. The US men's national cricket team delivered a stunning blow to heavyweight Pakistan in Texas on Thursday. That was at the Olympics. This was at the cricket World Cup. I didn't even know they had that. That is great. Pakistan though? That is crazy. They are real big into cricket in Pakistan? Huge. Huge. Most of the people that play... I know people of Middle Eastern descent that play cricket at the baseball fields in Biffin. I deliver. They get together for groups. They play cricket in the street actually sometimes. It is a big... It is a big... It is a big... It is a big sport. I really should learn his name. I assume they play dirt ball or something like that. As the Asian guy that he is American, I am Asian descent. But he does the funny Instagram videos where he plays two sides and talks to himself. Yeah, Troy. Yeah, Troy. Thanks. Read, read, that sounds right. You did a great one where he basically said... You want to... Sorry. You want to play cricket? Hey, hey, hey, hey, you. Tech guy. You want to learn how to play cricket? Yeah, what's that? It is like baseball but Celsius. It is like baseball but Celsius. It is like, yes, that is pretty much cricket. Anyway, you will use Fahrenheit. How do you spell that, sir? Impossible. Impossible. Oh, it is so good. Anyway, I brought up... I didn't want to... I didn't want to... I know we have a lot of wonderful Canadian listeners and I wasn't bringing up the American... You know, gold medal throughout anybody's face. But I did want to say that we will now be calling it Ice Football. So that's the new thing. Welcome to the National Ice Football League. Yeah, because since we wanted for the best at it, we're just going to... You're going to rename that to what it should be called. The Canadian team was like, we played better. I'm like, wait, what? They got way more shots that didn't go in. Stop it, stop it. We love you all over again. All takes. Statistics, we don't track for a thousand dollars. I would like to just point out though that if you had become the 51st state, you too could have been gold medal winners at the Olympics in hockey. I'm just saying. Maybe they would have made us lose though. And vastly, you could have vastly increased your odds at winning the Stanley Cup too, which is also a thing that could have... Anyway, I see they're here there. Many of our listeners would love to become part of the United States America. Anyway, that's not here to there. Look, some of our listeners have become part of the United States. That's a fact. That is a fact. And we will welcome you with open, open arms. No problem. No people in Canada comes to New Jersey though. That does upset me. But it's also very understandable. Yeah, no, reasonable. That checks out. Don't come to New Jersey unless you want to come continuing to build against the evil empire. Speaking of New Jersey, are we going to segue into this right now? Well, that's what I was going to get to. It's really maybe realize I probably should really love hockey more because there's like some really just ardent conservative patriotic people that love oxygen hockey. And I was excited about this because I saw like the celebrations. There's lots of, you know, little PB hockey teams all across the country that were super excited about America winning. It was a really beautiful moment. The internet's blown up and it's been really cool. But besides the fact that the actual American men's that won were also intensely patriotic, which is also refreshing. Now, this always happened since, you know, some people just hate America even though they live here and benefit from everything good that they have. So it was really just refreshing to see that. And additionally, there was this funny thing that happened in New Jersey. At the Devil's hockey game, the governor showed up and she was greeted by the fans in the stands. So just one of those beautiful sounds I'd ever heard in a while. So I just thought maybe we could play that little clip for you guys so you could enjoy too. Dating in an Allison blitzer. And in New Jersey, come their Mikey show. And on the first Tesla van in the Shakespeare. I'm going to try to look at this here. I'm going to ask. Yes. The legislation is making it maybe six miles in dollar. Definitely sure. Yes. The recognition of this tremendous honor in fact drinking hockey at the moment. That's the hate flow, Anakin. In case you're curious, that wasn't static you heard. That was the sound of the entire New Jersey Devil's stadium booing our governor Mickey Cheryl. That's so beautiful. Who voted for this beautiful? I mean, that's North Jersey. Like, that's where they are. That's where they play. Right? Yeah. And they, and they have Booter. They don't even know. They don't even know. Isn't it in like newer? They don't. Well, they don't hand out hockey tickets like they do food stamps. So it's not like the same people are going to the hockey games. I guess that's true. And that stadium is packed because they wanted to see Jack Hughes. You know, the Olympic. The guy that got his teeth knocked out and scored the winning goal. Oh, dude. Place for the devils. He plays for the devils? Yeah. Oh, I'm proud to be in New Jersey and for once. Yeah, apparently. So we're all around all of them. So the first time in my life, that's not a quote from ancient history, ancient American history. I've been proud to live in New Jersey. They all booed our governor and God bless them. Oh, my gosh. Anyway, that was a beautiful sound. And it has nothing to do with our podcast tonight, but I just wanted to, you know, mention that. USA. That's all. Just want to say that. And apart from that, so many things happened. And you might think, oh, they're going to talk about the state of the union address. But we're not. Although, if you thought we had time to review that, I watched, I mean, I've watched the whole thing. It was, it was awesome. There were, dude, dude, I can, Mike, we're going to go, I'm not going to go off on the tangents, but it was, look, that'll trump. Tell him that you're going to give him a pulpit and a microphone and cameras. And that man knows what to do. That's all I'm saying. You know, that's what to do. And he had to play on any executed it to almost flawless victory on moral combat. But moving past that, we're not doing that. We're going to do a totally different, hopefully very relevant engagement with you tonight to kind of just talk about some things. In the 50s and 60s, that is when the move, post-World War II, began in the homosexual community to basically get the stigma off of homosexuality. And the movement is generally agreed upon. Historically, to have started as that, that, you know, famous way you hear people who get upset at you for not thinking homosexual lifestyle is a good thing, the idea of staying out of our bedroom. Like, what does it matter to you what we do in private? It started as what was called the homophile movement. I don't know if you're aware of this, Jesse, but the goal was to focus on something on the channel is the sci-fi channel. It does sound like homophiles. It does. But you know, they, they know how to use words back then a little more than they do now. Certainly a lot more. I'll just say a lot more than they do now. Words like assassination. I don't know if you saw the reason. Poor, the poor congressperson that didn't know what assassination was. What? Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk wasn't assassinated. He was just a victim of gun violence. Yes, many members, many people that have been assassinated have been victims of gun violence, you idiot. You don't know what assassination means. It's only political figures. No, no, no. It's any prominent figure that is just killed for a political or religious belief. That's why it's an assassination. Charlie Kirk wasn't assassinated and neither was Martin Luther King. Or JFK or like no one was assassinated, really. Poor Abraham Lincoln was never assassinated. They, the homophilies focused mostly on this idea of, you know, these organizing around these early gay rights. The early gay rights to simply decriminalize. The consensual same-sex acts. That was the whole goal of the movement. That really did, I mean it did begin to garner even more attention in the late 60s. You know, we had the Stonewall riots. I think it was like 69. And that goal there then to continue to eliminate all sawdemy laws. And then it moved to the right to privacy argument, which is how we got a lot of contraception issues, which led to abortion, by the way. I quote unquote right to privacy. And that, you know, just kept devolving. And I wanted to kind of use that with an understanding of some things that have just happened. To point out that they didn't ever, the movement was never about what happened in the bedroom and it was always about God. It was always about stealing worship from God to worship the self. That was always the goal of the movement. And it's always the goal of sin. And we can really see that particular movement and how it began, ebbed and flowed, and used this argument of sin. Sin is, it's just a private thing who cares. It doesn't hurt anyone. It's not bothering you. So why are you so concerned about it? How that moved, has always moved in the church. And it's always been about conforming the church to the world's standards. If we can pull the people that are supposed to worship God rightly into this secular view. And someday if we ever do the post-work consensus discussion, it's very much models that exact idea. Next week, dude. Next week, that's right. We're supposed to. Anyway, knock on wood. We're supposed to have a guest on and talk about some post-work consensus ideas. Join us for that. That's going to be fun. No, it's the same. It's not Joel Levin. It's not Joel Levin. It is not Joel Levin. But it actually mirrors that. The homosexual movement was never about what they did in their bedroom. And it was always about what you did in your church. And I'll kind of play that off moving to CS Lewis. I'm like, how does that transition? Where's the transition there? And the thing about CS Lewis is, a lot of his works, like I think 50 and 52, or when we get the biggest works that he did, like the Chronicles of Darnia, and even the publication of Miracres Deanity. And there are two of his more well-traveled works. I mean, obviously we know that the earlier works, like the abolition of man, that these works were great and significant. But he didn't actually garner as much attention, even while he was alive. And then, probably he's got a lot more attention, post his death, posthumously. And I say that because one of the things we know about CS Lewis is that he was an Anglican. Now that's the list of people that don't really like big on understanding what Anglican, denominationalism, all that different stuff. The Anglican is the Church of England. He was from the Church of England. Or the North American continent, largely. We would call that a piscopal. It's like the Americanized version of the Anglican Church. But the Anglican Church is the Church of England, and he grew up and remained. And even till his death was a member of the Anglican Church. And there's reasons why he did that. One of the big reasons is because he was very high-liturgy. He also just appreciated the fact that largely back then, the Anglican Church was just very vanilla. It was very... I don't want to say that. Safe? Yeah, it wasn't edgy. It was very... I want to say accepting, but that's the wrong word because you'll immediately bring it into like 2026 understanding of accepting. And although the Anglican Church, which we'll see tonight, is largely accepting of the 2026 way. It was broad tense. I don't know what you're trying to say. Yeah, like broad tense. It was very broad tense. It was definitely back then still focused on the liturgical and biblical understanding of the word. But it was already back then beginning to embrace more progressive ideas. And to his credit, he stood against those. He didn't want... They wanted to reform their liturgy. And he said there was no reason to reform the liturgy. Even back then, they were talking about women moving into the pastor especially towards the end of his life. And he was... That wasn't biblical. That was not at all where he saw the... He knew the Bible was. And he did not want them to move away from that biblical standard. But they often... They often because of their vanilla-ishness. They moved in these directions. And it was always like this kind of... Like we read CS Lewis now. And I think when we understand him holistically, he just... He really wanted the churches to unite. Like he wanted all Christendom to unite. I think in a way that probably is largely ignorant in full total sum of the differences. Not that he was ignorant of them just... Ignorant of how truly different they are. In practicality. Correct. But he saw the great schism as a sadness. That there was this divide in the church. And he wanted there to be the unity of the body of Christ. And I don't even have a problem with that. But many look towards mere Christendom as this kind of... kind of baseline understanding of the gospel. But at the same time, they forget why this mere Christendom was written. And it was written... It was actually the culmination of his audio addresses over the radio. Two war-torn Britain. Two bass. To help them ground in Christ. And in the truth of the weight of the gospel as something that was for all of life. And the only truth that was good and right to move in. And they kind of forget that. And they're like, oh, he just kind of... He didn't water it down. He actually made it... He was like... He was just talking to someone on the subway. And trying to evangelize them, even though he didn't know them. He was going to make this clear argument for Christianity as the only good and right true basis for establishing life and living. And that's what he did. I think there's some argument that because of this vanilla strain and love of the gospel and desire for unity that if he lived today, as we will see, he would not be a part of the Anglican Church and he would have gone to a Roman Catholicism. And perhaps he would have gone to a Roman Catholicism, but I actually think he would have gotten so tired of the noise that's involved in all the big churches that he would have hunkered down in some sort of high liturgical reformed small church and just worshipped there the way he knew he could biblically. But I could probably make that argument differently in a different time. The point being that that was his view of what the church should be and it should unify while not releasing the biblical standards of the doctrines. But it's the kind of the point of because of the lack of strength around the doctrines of Scripture, you can see the slide that was able to happen and it was already happening in his lifetime. And it's the same idea of this idea of what what do you care we do what we do in our bedroom from the homosexual movement and connecting these two, I don't know if you're aware of Jesse, but they recently had the the synod, the large gathering together of the Church of England this month, this past month this year. I was aware of it. I didn't know where care about it, but I was aware of it. Right. And honestly, we threw their tea in the harbor and you should not have to care of their synod any longer. It's a little bit like a hockey to me. I swip all, but they did and and you can feel this that that idea of the movement of sin, the idea that. The the the small G gods of sin are never content when you worship the capital G god of the Bible, they never are. They're always seeking to undo that worship. And that is what our sin does. It causes us to take Christ off the throne so that we can put ourselves there. And this was highly evident as the Anglican Church as many large denominations have slips ever further into the progressive secular post truth culture that we all tend to see religion living in. We have a wonderful clip, wonderful clip that highlights the absolute sheer ignorance of what was being argued. Now I will say that atropa this clip will talk a little bit about the actual happening to the synod. But but this clip comes from specifically from a priest, pastor, clergyman. clergyman. A clergyman in the Anglican church. His name is Charlie Batsich Bell. And you'll hear him talk. He was speaking because the synod was actually doing away with a particular ministry and wouldn't be actually coming in hot, so to speak, on affirming homosexual marriage. In the public sphere outside of small private encouragement, I guess you would say they have small private prayers over relationships, but they don't actually fully recognize homosexual marriage. He was very upset at this. And and let him have it. He this clip is much larger. It's about six six seven minutes long, which is going to play about a minute of it. And just in it, there is a level of undoing of reality and what the Bible says that is intensely clear that you will hear. So we'll let will let clergyman Charlie have the microphone and you can hear him talk. Have your entire self debated ripped apart, dissected, insulted, trampled on in this chamber and more widely as though it were a mere abstract question. As if it is to have your whole theological opinion challenged. Many have suffered. How dare you? My amendment seeks to do one thing and one thing only, which is to tell the truth. It is this that the majority of us wish to recognize and lament. That the Church of England remains unwilling to affirm the faithful, committed and legally recognized beautiful life giving, pro creative, abundant, glorious, godly, queer lives that are so clearly displayed the glory of God in front of our very eyes. What he was, he was a very angry, just what procreate it. Pro creative life, life giving procreative. Yeah, that's the words that he used. God glorifying. A little bit of Greta Thunberg in there. Yeah, he definitely got a little, how dare you? He's got a little Greta. Little Thunberg came out. We all have a little bit of Thunberg inside. No, I don't want to. Do not. What you hear here is the reality that sin is never content to be worshiped in private. It is always going to go after public worship. And that's what basically was pushed in the homosexual agenda. What do you care if we do in a bedroom? Just decryvelize satamy. What does it matter what two consenting adults do in a bedroom? We can probably get united by law to we can be married just like every other couple can be married to. We must be celebrated not just allowed to exist. You must celebrate us. You must applaud us too. We will have whole months dedicated to us and days. We will have feasts and festivals dedicated to us. That's the basic movement of the quote-unquote private sin. How dare you try to govern what we do in our bedrooms? Into you will now celebrate us with our high feasts, our high holidays. And you will affirm us and you will like it or else. And that's exactly one of the things that was present in a church that wasn't standing strongly on what God's word clearly said. And now we have, to the point where we have someone like clergyman Bell here ripping and railing against the Anglican church for not affirming homosexual lifestyles for not affirming homosexual marriages. As a great biblical, I believe he said, God glorifying display of Christian worship. Well, it turns out that's what sin does. It perverts. It corrupts. And it doesn't corrupt in places. It corrupts and seeps everywhere as the Bible calls it clearly a cancer. It's a cancer that spreads and infects everything. We could break down the words he used here. No pun and death. Jesse, could you describe to me how procreated the spiritual and the outrageous relationships are? It's zero. They're not zero percent procreative. It's the only way they can be considered procreative is if they purchase a womb and or purchase a semen. They love arts and crafts. They're very creative sometimes. Oh, they're pro. I get it. They're just. They're big. They're big in the tiktok sphere. They really like the creatives. Body will be and you know. Like they love to accept. They love to accessorize. I'm pretty sure you meant procreative as in the actual procreation. The actual word that he couldn't possibly actually mean. That doesn't make sense in the sense that he placed it. Yes. But even more like if it was to be possible to even to be even more insane was for him to treat it as God glorifying. That's far more. It is impossible for a homosexual relationship to be procreative. When you take two lamps together and you try to plug the plugs into each other, the light doesn't turn on. It's not possible. That's not how it works. So that is impossible. But far more than impossible. But corrupt and evil is to call it God glorifying. That is far more devastating and damaging. And that's the slip. That's the slip. That's what's so pervasive about progressivism is that it as a religion has its own set of dogma. It as a religion, the idea of post-truth secularism. They come with their own strings, their own forms of worship, their own ways in which you must adhere. And to act like they don't would be to lie to yourself and everyone. And the truth here is that we're just seeing the natural flow of what this sin does. When you're not willing to stand on truth and say we will not move from truth because all that's left is lies. And lies are not loving. They're hateful. Yeah, we talked about it a little bit in community group this past week at church. Like there's so much hurt in the LGBTQ whatever movement. And people think that it's freeing to quote unquote sexually liberate themselves. They think that they're finding freedom in sexual deviancy. But really all they're doing is living and cementing themselves into victimhood. They're not living a free life. They're living a victim's life. And the only way that actually truly live a free life is to submit that life to Christ. And then and only then can the bonds of sin actually be broken like forever. And so it's really just a it's really just a spiraling further into slavery is what it is. But it's it's under the guise of excuse me. It's under the guise of sexual freedom. But it ain't. Amen. It is not. It's simply simply the same. It is it is quite literally the the very sin that Christ died to ransom us from to redeem us from. It is to live in bondage. It is to live in slavery to that sin. And although although clergyman Bell would want us to celebrate this sin, it would be absolute heretical evil to do so. That's what it would be because it would be to it would be to continue to allow you to live in the bondage of something Christ died to redeem you from the blood of Christ bought that. And to disgrace the blood of Christ is would be a true would be truly be the travesty in that. And that is not where we should go. And it's as if it's as if you would think well it cannot possibly get crazier than that. And to which I would say, oh no, dear Christian, it can get far crazier than that. So we'll jump from we'll jump from England back to America. We'll go from from the Anglican the Anglican Sinai, the Church of England, where they are clearly struggling with this battle to celebrate the homosexual movement, which again was just, you know, stay out of our bedroom, right? Not so much. It was now we will take your worship. We'll jump over to a fun little post that I got introduced to on the I will call it at least an entertaining group, the entertaining group that I'm in on Facebook called What the Ferdick, which is very entertaining Facebook group. Post there's a lot of interesting things that happen there. Yes, they post some crazy stuff that they debate it and it's very intriguing. But they shared a post from a family that I was not exposed to at all until they posted it. And this family is called the Graze. The Graze is, I mean, there's not really much other way to say it's a lesbian couple. It's a lesbian couple, the Graze. This, you know, before before we even get into that, let me just read, we're just going to look at this post. We'll just generally look at the post and then you can then we'll get into how much crazier it is than even the post itself. The post, just if you want to read the post, you just read it. I think we just read it because it only take a minute to read it and it'll give you the full. It gets wild. It just gets wild. Do you want me to read it like a whiny valley girl or do you want me to just know just I want you to read it like a man. I just read it like a man. I mean her her profile says she's in a Ohio gay girl. But yeah, but I can just hear the wine here. So she says yes, I'm a mom. Yes, I love Jesus. Yes, I go to church every Sunday. Yes, I run a ministry that feeds family and needs. And yes, I have an only fans. Before you, before you choke on that last sentence, let's talk God created my body every curve, every stretch mark, every scar from carrying life. He didn't make a state mistake when he made me sensual. He didn't accidentally design women to be beautiful and then expect us to pretend we're not. True. Some of y'all some of y'all are comfortable celebrating a woman's body when it's on a Victoria secrets. So billboard. But suddenly it's sinful once you profits it from herself. I'll save my commentary for the end. He waited. Motherhood did not erase my sexuality. Ministry did not cancel my femininity. Faith did not require me to hate my body. I refuse to believe that loving God that I've refused to believe that loving the body God gave me is a sin. I refuse to believe that providing for my family in a way that doesn't harm anyone is shameful. I refuse to accept what a woman has to choose between being holy and being confident. You can feed the hungry and still feel sexy. You can pray over your babies and still take spicy photos. You can worship God and still love the skin you're in. The same God who called me to serve also made me a woman. And I will not let man made shame speak louder than the one who created me. That makes you uncomfortable. That's okay. But my faith, my motherhood and my confidence can coexist and they do. Now, sorry. If you read that, you're like, wow, this person is really missed large actions. No one understands. Of the Bible of the atoning work of Christ. None. Not a single little teeny tiny bit of it. Yeah, but then, so reading the post, I'm like, okay, then you click on the profile and I go like, wait a second. Yes, this is a, this is a lesbian mom. Again, no, we'll go back to our clergyman statement, clergyman bell, where homosexual relationships are pro-creative. I know what you're thinking. How does a lesbian couple have a baby? Oh, wait, I'm sorry. They have a baby. But it's more than that because this lesbian couple and this is really weird. They have a black baby. I kid you not. This is like, it's like every layer of this got a little weirder. It got a little different. So this is, so good. So she has a top comment underneath before the assumptions continue. Let me make this clear. Having an only fans is only one aspect of my life. It is not my entire identity. It is not my only job and it is not to find my character. I'm a photographer. I run a ministry. I serve families. I'm a wife and a mother. People are multi-dimensional, even when the internet wants to flatten them into one label. Nothing about my adult work involves children. Nothing about it promotes harm. Nothing about it encourages miners to do anything. Suggesting otherwise is not concern. It's an extreme and unfounded accusation. You are free to disagree with my choices. You are not free to falsely attach those choices to child harm or moral corruption. Just because you personally disapprove. I do more than that, ma'am. My faith is real. My work in my community is real. My love for my family is real. None of those things are erased because you don't like one piece of my life. Boundaries aren't bitterness. They're wisdom. Yeah. She keeps using the word faith. I do not think she means what she thinks it means. It doesn't. It really doesn't. If I could just put the whole lesbian for the black baby on pause. By the way, one of them carried them, obviously. The profile is the graze. I never know exactly who's writing no matter what picture they post. It's very confusing in that. Something that really bothers me about this particularly. When she says things like it's such cognitive distance, she does verbal gymnastics in here that the English language is under such severe strain. I am seriously concerned. When she says things like faith did not require me to hate my body. I think that's just a no actually faith would actually require you to love the body God gave you. That he gave it to you. You should love the creative nature that God gave you a body. We are physically embodied beings. That's what God made us to bear his image. And that's a key. That's a super key point. You can worship God and still love the skin. If you're going to worship God, you will love that he made you a human body in this way. That is how you will indeed worship God. Here's the thing. When she says things like, I refuse to believe that loving the body God gave me as a sin. It's not a sin. Love the body God gave you. What you won't do is then, where does she say it? Oh, but suddenly it's sinful when she profits from it herself. God did not give you your body so that you could profit from it like it's an object. That is to misunderstand how you have faith or worship God. To worship God is to love your body and care for it in a way that God gave it to you to glorify him, to honor him. And indeed, so that you would exercise modesty to respect the body God gave you. Are you crazy? Like, what are you talking about? You have said so many convoluted things. You're trying to make words mean with it. You're overstating and oversimplifying. And then you'll run to the other direction and obfuscate. Like, what are you talking about? So many problems. I mean, like the language of loving your body, I truly feel is a huge trope among the sexually abused in the secular world in the secular way of dealing with things. Because when you're abused or when you're traumatized, I mean actually traumatized, you know, you tend to have self-hatred. There is shame, there is guilt, there is a lot of real deep darkness there. And so to counter that people tell them, well, you know, love your body. You don't have to be ashamed of the body that you have. And whenever I see that, it just screams dark past to me. I don't know if it does the same to you. But starting in only fans and being in a romantic relationship with another woman, again, is not living a free life. It is living the life of a victim. It's living the life of a condemned victim. A victim that has not found actual true peace. She is still searching for ways to find peace. And so she does these things that make her feel good about herself. And people turn to fake Christianity because Christians do good things like charity. But not only fans. But not only fans. And not homosexuality. We don't turn too sin to find comfort. We spiral into sin in a very Roman's one type way. I don't know if I'm crazy there. Am I reading too much into that? I don't know. I don't think, I mean, I don't know. I don't think you're crazy at all in that. I think you're trying to logically make observations rationally. There is definitely a level of... There's always a level of hurt involved in trying to miscategorize the scriptures this fantastically. And I know that sounds... Maybe that sounds like too large of a blanket statement or a dogmatic axiom. But that's what we do when we're trying to justify something. It's coming from either we are physically feeling hurt that that are thing that we want would not be allowed. Or there is hurt that is trying to help us justify it for ourselves coming from the outside. But that is what this is. And you see the connections though. Like we've gone from the homosexual movement and then looking at C.S. Lewis's life in the Anglican Church to what the Anglican Church is today. And then to what this person feels so empowered to be able to say with a straight face that she could somehow hold these ideas in her head and she has been so informed in her own sin and in the sin of the culture at large, right? Mapping these ideas that are celebrating sin onto her faith that it was never about the sin. It was always about what you worship. It was always about coming after God and attacking him on his throne so that they could overthrow him and place themselves there. Nothing, nothing in this person's life displays what Christ has called her to display. And so of course this woman can't think she can be a lesbian. Of course this lesbian couple thinks that they can have a baby. Of course this woman has an only fans. Of course, because all they've done is allowed their sin to replace Christ on the throne. They have put themselves there to worship themselves and they mix in Jesus so that they can feel connected in some way to real true spiritual life. But they are totally disconnected from it. Totally. And that is what sin does. This woman doesn't care what you think about what she does at her bedroom. In fact, this woman will profit from what she does in her bedroom. That's where sin moves. And that's why when we read the Bible, we treat it as true. It is what God said. And we live in his truth because we have no other hope apart from it. And this is where we go when we don't. We try to marry Christ's holiness with our sin in the most disgusting ways. And then with a straight face say, I run a ministry that feeds families. I love Jesus. I have an only fans. Like that makes any sense. Although I do want to say, being just he did discuss having an only fans, we're like, we read. What do we want to do on an only fans? Forget what we wanted to do. It was just like hijacking only fans for the gospel. Yeah, like why don't we hijack it? Like why don't we like have large expositional studies on only fans? Why not? Ironically, only fans, this is like the internet. Only fans was made for creatives to be able to like, hey, I do a cooking thing. I'm going to do it only fans so I can make money as apart from YouTube, apart from ads. Like you could just get people to give you money to watch your channel on cooking or writing or math or, and what does it turn into? Just a point of sight. That's what it turns into. The internet, we can access all of information everywhere. Why don't we make like a solid eighth of every web page that exists, a porn site? That's just what sin does. That's what it does. And I think the reality of the post-truth secularization of the world, the progressive religion of the world, and wrap it in whatever words you want to, you know, cultural Marxism, critical theory, the hegemonic, right? Like whatever you want to wrap it in, it's always, always been about making yourself and your sin, the thing you worship, and ripping God off of his throne. And whether that's the corrupting of the church or the people of the church becoming corrupted, this is where it leads. It's why we say crazy things like what God says is true and we're going to do what he says. Just as simple as that. We have no standard if there is no standard from God. And that's the only standard that exists. And unfortunately and terrifyingly for her, she's missing it. It is. It is. She's most unfortunate. Because there is something, it's beyond the freedom that Christ gives because beyond any understanding mortal man has a freedom. Any remote concept of what that freedom is. Because the freedom in Christ allows us to live completely void of whatever this world says. Nothing this world has to offer matters compared to the atonement of Christ and the freedom he brings us. Nothing. And the sooner we live like that, the sooner we can make sure we love people enough that they don't approach life as if their body was something they should make money off of instead of something they should cherish as a gift from God. As if the words God says are true so that we don't think we can glorify God in our sin. And that is why we must be clear on these things. That's why sin is never about what you do in your bedroom because it will always come out in your life. Always. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I know that note. On that note, the scary part is we weren't recording on our video stream so I have no idea how long we recorded for. Oh yeah, you don't know. We're at 49 minutes. Oh dude. That is awesome. I'm like, oh no. Have we been talking for an hour now or not? No. No. Oh, praise the Lord for that. Oh, thank heavens. We would love to know how you guys feel about the sermons that we're posting from our study and Ephesians on those weeks where life is insane. And we can actually do this. So if you have any feedback on that, let us know. We would appreciate it. And I don't have anything else. Do you have anything else, Jess? No, man. I'm excited about our guest next time around. Next week's going to be fun. Yeah. It's actually like a, I don't know. I'm going to probably get it like all weirdy and emotional in the beginning because it's kind of a full circle thing for me and Jesse actually. I feel it's like somebody that ministered to us that now has somehow, through our podcast, been ministered to and it's been really, it's really kind of a sweet thing. But it's also going to be a really fun discussion on the raging battle of the post-work consensus. I think I've been doing a lot more diving into it. I think I understand it now. So it might be, it's going to be hopefully a good discussion. I'm hoping I'm looking forward to it. So look forward to that. Good old fashioned episode 220. That'll be that'll be fantastic. And until that episode, dear Christian, we hope that you. Wait, why? I'm falling asleep. We got to go. He's really all done tight. Oh, we didn't even talk. There may be a new shirt in the future. Oh, there's going to be a new shirt, man. There's, oh my gosh. We're excited. We haven't done a shirt in a long time. If you want to see it, DM us. Oh, DM any of the carpet, video social medias. And you can see an image of the upcoming shirt. Anyway, with that, dear Christian, we hope that you this day would seize the faith.

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